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Ben Carrington as the father of Monica and Miles

Discussion in 'Dynasty' started by StrangerDynastyTreeNat89, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:26 PM.

  1. StrangerDynastyTreeNat89

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    This has been my theory for some years now, that Ben Carrington was Sable's rapist and thus the father of Monica and Miles, I know some here believe it to be Cecil Colby but I think that was too predictable, plus the fact that Jason hated Ben, perhaps Ben made his feelings for Sable known or was being overly familiar with her.

    Plus it would give Ben four children like Blake has, Clay, Monica, Miles and Leslie, it would also explain why Sable never revealed who her rapist was when Blake asked her, she didn't want him to feel responsible for Ben's heinous actions.
     
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    There's one problem with that theory, though: it would make Miles and Fallon first cousins, and there's no way that Sable would EVER be glad that they married, or would even want them to have a baby. At least back when they were "first cousins once removed", there's the argument that there's enough distance in their blood for it not to be incest and that a child wouldn't be a deformity.
     
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    Perhaps Sable felt at the time that Miles deserved a piece of the Carrington pie and if he couldn't claim it legitimately then why not through marriage? First cousins or not, besides this was at a time when the year of Roger Grimes death was moved from 1979 back to 1963/64. ;-)
     
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    I never liked the way two of the Colby offspring were unceremoniously declared bastards in Dynasty's season 9, so I can't say there is a version of this that would make it palatable. I think in the haste to up the ante in the Sable/Alexis feud Paulsen went for a rather gimmicky ploy. Since the two women were cousins, there could have been other secrets from the past to unearth.
     
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    But why would she want Miles to have a piece of the Carrington pie if he was already set to inherit from Jason, who was already richer than Blake? Throughout THE COLBYS' run, Sable was obsessed with Miles being Jason's one and only heir and rarely, if ever, considered Fallon's own inheritance.

    Um, I don't understand what that's got to do with it? Regardless of when Grimes died, Miles and Monica are only declared bastards towards the end of season 9. Up until that time, they were Jason Colby's kids, so any change would have to find a way to reconcile itself with any plot-holes.

    But I think Paulsen planned all along for the twins to not be Jason's children. Early on in the season, it was established that Jason disowned the twins and cut them out of his life. Why would he do that? Not unless he experienced the terrible shock that they were never his kids. Besides, Alexis said that she revealed the fact was because she wanted to win at least one battle against Sable: right before she returned to Denver, Alexis discovered that Sable was on the verge of taking ColbyCo and all her money away from her. So when she came back to The Carlton and found Jeff and Adam brawling over Adam accusing Jeff of having an affair with his sister, Alexis saw the opportunity to get back at Sable in the only available way how: publicly reveal Monica's true parentage.
     
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    I agree with you that he set it up early on. I didn't call it a gimmicky ploy because I thought it was last minute--I called it such because I consider it unimaginative.
     
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    Ah. Well that's understandable. :) But you gotta admit, it gave Sable the drive she needed to go after Alexis like that. I don't think there was any other way to make her as deliciously vengeful as she was; the best way to get Sable's dander up was to mess with her children. She was a Mama Bear through and through (something I wish Krystle had been more like). And I honestly can't think of any other way for Alexis to mess with Miles and Monica in such a manner that would make Sable spend an entire season trying to destroy her.
     
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    I envisioned three or four of Paulsen's key plot points in Season 9 a couple of years before he even did them. Such that it sounds like I'm fibbing whenever I say it. And I imagined Sable being back on the show where the audience would learn that Monica and Miles were the result of Sable's rape via Roger Grimes whose body was found on the estate (I had him bricked up in a the wall of the main hall of the mansion, with Sable or Caress having stabbed him to death in the darkened kitchen).

    So perhaps Paulsen's use of the rape thing was a listening-to-nature manifestation.

    Besides, if we wanted to later undo it thru DNA testing, we can.

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    I also had a buried treasure plot, but it was czarian and underneath Moldavia.
     
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    Very true. An easy explanation is that the rape happened within the same week she last slept with Jason, and Sable, in her paranoia, was frightened that the twins were the result of that rape. But then in the Season 10 that never happened, the twins take a DNA test to be sure... and find that no, Jason Colby really and truly is their father after all. X)
     
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    I personally never saw any issue with Monica and Miles not being Jason's children, it was an interesting concept, experimental one might say, and season 9 was just that.

    Having Ben as their father shouldn't be an issue either especially since Fallon & Miles never had any children and as icky as first cousins getting it on is, it isn't half as bad as
    Fallon and Adam nearly doing it just six seasons earlier!

    Also Ben and Miles do look alike sort of

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    Maybe so, but my point earlier why that wouldn't work out is Sable's reaction to Miles marrying Fallon. If she knew who Miles' real father was, she'd be horrified to learn that her son has married his first cousin, and I can't see why she'd want him to have children with her. I suppose the only way to reconcile this is that Sable *didn't* know who her rapist was (either it was dark or he had a mask; I remember somebody suggesting it happened at a masquerade).
     
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    Alexis forgot that Roger Grimes was going to walk out on her, perhaps Sable was so traumatised by the event she blocked it out mentally, if it was a masquerade ball, she only heard Ben's voice, but never saw his face, it wasn't until she may have randomly bumped into Ben that she realised that he was her rapist, putting a voice to the face so to speak, at least that's how I have rationalised this scenario.
     
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    That could work. I'd go with the masquerade, because the alternative of her being traumatized would raise the question, why did she only forget who raped her, and not the entire incident? At least with the masquerade, it immediately answers why and how Sable didn't know who her attacker was. Maybe in Season 10, Ben could have made a return, and after he says something, a particular set of words, they jolt Sable's memory, and after all these years, finally finds out who her children's father is.
     
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    I don't think it was ever established Clay was Ben's. My impression is it was left open-ended and that perhaps it was Buck's twisted way of keeping Clay and Leslie apart. I could be wrong, but someone else will have to set me right, for there is no way in hell I am ever going to watch the second half of season 7 again.
     
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    I could be wrong, but I think I read during someone's review that Buck had a scene alone where he said, "I'm sorry, Emily, but it was the only way to keep our son from marrying a Carrington!" I haven't watched season 7 for a long while as well, so I don't know for sure.
     
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    Your correct, Buck does say this, though he was faced with the prospect of having Leslie Carrington as his daughter in law so can you really blame him for doing what he did.
     
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    Okay, thanks... though wait, are you saying you *can* or *can't* blame him? I think you mean "can't", since, y'know, the whole Leslie becoming his daughter-in-law thing... :lol:
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Yes, Buck just wanted to keep Leslie and Clay apart and therefore kept the truth a secret.
    Clay was Buck's son, Emily ensured Buck with her last words just seconds before she died in his arms.
    In his last scene on the show he said to Emilys photo that he believed her and inside always knew, that Clay was his, he just wanted to avoid any more "Carrington-sluts" hanging around with Fallmonts.
    That was right after the clinical paternity blood-test Clay, Ben and Buck went trough - with the unsatisfying result that each of them, either Ben or Buck, could be Clay's father.
     
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    What a prick Buck Fallmont really was, though. That's one of the very few nice things about the 1991 Reunion: it noted that Buck was dead. Good riddance.
     
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