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California Insurance Exchange Announces Premium Rates

Discussion in 'Politics, philosophy and religion' started by montyc, May 25, 2013.

  1. montyc

    montyc Well-Known Member


    Rates far lower than predicted by pundits. Go down exactly as Obamacare intended.

    If you are among the many Americans who have bought into the fear and loathing that has been the campaign against Obamacare, you just might wish to reconsider. With every passing day, the various myths, legends and lies put forward by those with a political axe to grind, TV or radio rating to be raised or vote to be purchased, are falling victim to the facts.

    This is all good news for supporters of Obamacare and of course the many Americans who do not have any health care. My rate right now is abut five hundred per month for a gold version plan. I expect that to go down.
  2. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    What will you do if it doesn't?


    Obamacare Produces Pain and Chaos by Design

    "UnitedHealth, the nation’s largest private insurer, will not participate in California’s Obamacare health exchange, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday. Health insurance giants Aetna and Cigna will also opt out of Covered California, the state agency charged with implementing Obamacare. All three insurers will still provide health insurance through large employers in the state," but they're not going to participate in the Obamacare exchanges.

    "Kaiser Permanente, the largest health insurer in California, will work with Covered California, as will Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield of California. Together, these two companies already control 87 percent of the state’s individual health insurance market. That number will only go up as UnitedHealth, Aetna and Cigna drop out of the individual market entirely. Market consolidation and decreased consumer choice is exactly what some supporters of Obamcare hoped would happen all along."

    This is my point. As UnitedHealth pulls out, as Cigna pulls out, as Aetna pull out, what does that mean? It means consumers have fewer choices. That's the design. The people that really thought about this at the government, the Obamacare people, the people that really put this together with their ultimate aim in mind, intended all of this. They intended for it to be too big, too unworkable, and too expensive. They intended for all of these companies, be they businesses or insurance companies, to pull out, to not insure people, they intended this. That's why the fines for not having insurance in the first couple years are very cheap.

    The fines for not having a policy cost much less than having a policy. They want people to not have the policy. They want people to pay the fine. They want to upset the market and create a mess -- and, then to clean up the mess, they want everybody just to finally say, "You know what? You know what would fix this? Single payer! Just have the government do it. To hell with Aetna, to hell with Cigna, to hell with United Health, to hell with private insurance. Just have the government do it."

    That will be the solution.

    People do not want single-payer, government-run health care. They don't want Obamacare. Still, the numbers are 60%. But the people in the regime who believe in this, who think that all of this is the perfect solution to our health care problems, they'll read a story here. They'll read this LA Times story: United Health, Aetna, Cigna pulling out.

    They [liberals] want an exemption. That is liberalism for you. They set up two sets of rules: One set for everybody else, and another set for them. They never have to live by the rules that they set up for everybody else. 'Cause they're special! They're better. They're more important. The rules set up for everybody else are to handle "the masses," the bourgeois -- you know, the slow-witted, dim-witted, mindless people that are incapable of taking care of themselves.

    So they set up rules for them, and then another set for themselves, and that's how it works. United Health, Aetna, and Cigna opt out of the California Obamacare exchange -- and they're going to continue to offer insurance policies to employers. Eventually what is designed to happen, and therefore will, is that the policies are going to be so much more expensive than what will be found at the exchanges, private insurance will end.
  3. montyc

    montyc Well-Known Member

    You have to dip into Rush for that? A pure propagandist who is not a valid source. Shame on you.

    Republicans are going to regret calling it Obamacare. It will forever be tied to Obama and Democrats.
  4. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    Probably Rush's style of delivery is what she's accustomed to hearing in church, "so it must be true". Or something.
    Scarlett needs to read real news (hell, even al-Jazeera has better journalistic standards than Rush).
  5. montyc

    montyc Well-Known Member

    What we do know is that there is a partisan world that's part of the media that, like Pravda, has created it's own reality and with the objective of lining it's pocket (Rush) and working as agents for a single political party, The Republicans, feeds an endless stream of disinformation and propaganda to it's army. Point, smirk, laugh a little but refuse to take any of it as serious and treat it like the garbage it is.

    Reality is a bitch, and this is another example were it looks like a nice, deserving smack down is all they are going to be left with. Oh, and a legacy called Obamacare.

    On the good news front advertisers continue to flee Rush and his days on commercial radio are coming to an end.
  6. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    Oh Rush is goin' to be on the air - he gets millions of listeners each week, he's the number one radio personality. The advertisers that leave will be missing out on the revenue from his show - but that's their loss. ;)
  7. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    You forgot to click your heels three times. You're not in Kansas anymore.
  8. montyc

    montyc Well-Known Member

    One major station group has already singled they will drop him. Once that happens it's all over for commercial radio. He will find a venue, it's just a matter of what and where. It will be smaller and like Glen Beck, void of mainstream advertisers or the need to answer to traditional corporate share holders.
  9. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    Sounds like a right-winger / evangelist's dream media.
  10. montyc

    montyc Well-Known Member

    It's the electronic equivalent of the mimeograph machine in the basement. Exactly where he belongs.
  11. montyc

    montyc Well-Known Member

    More is coming out and all signs indicate it is likely to be more successful and working as intended then even the most optimistic predictions. Republicans, who actually came up with the idea and could own it, are going to rue the day they decided to lie about it and name it Obamacare.

    Ideally we will move to single payer and end this nonsense. Which is what I wanted all along.

    Still, here’s what it seems is about to happen: millions of Americans will suddenly gain health coverage, and millions more will feel much more secure knowing that such coverage is available if they lose their jobs or suffer other misfortunes. Only a relative handful of people will be hurt at all. And as contrasts emerge between the experience of states like California that are making the most of the new policy and that of states like Texas whose politicians are doing their best to undermine it, the sheer meanspiritedness of the Obamacare opponents will become ever more obvious.

  12. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    With a wider reach, unfortunately.
  13. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    As Republicans "boil off" from the GOP, the residue that remains consists of the uneducated, the mentally ill, the sociopathic, and the flat-out treasonous. I.e. the utter dregs of society.
  14. montyc

    montyc Well-Known Member

    Or the party could do as Bob Dole has suggested, regroup and reform and toss the losers out where they belong. I thought the last election would have taught them something but so far nothing has changed. I think they are addicted to the tactics of division, scapegoating and demonization.
  15. montyc

    montyc Well-Known Member

    I am not sure about that. Glen Beck is basically relegated to the margins and his ability to be heard beyond that very limited. I suspect Rush is going to follow a similar path. As the old white men die off their audience/subscribers dwindle.
  16. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    Glen Beck is also going blind, but he's not going down w/o a fight. :)

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