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DALLAS Season 3, 2013-2014 ---- Will it happen?

Discussion in 'DALLAS ON TNT DISCUSSION FORUM' started by Dallasfanatic2005, Feb 2, 2013.

  1. Dallasfanatic2005

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    I'm a huge fan of the original show as well as the updated series. I find myself thinking about the continuation of the current series and wonder what other fans of DALLAS think. Obviously, I would love to get a third season but I worry about the ratings here in the US. I'm thinking it will get one more season as long as the ratings don't continue to fall even if the episode order for Season 3 is cut down from the 15 we're getting in Season 2. What do you think about the future of the series? Will it be renewed or cancelled?
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    It'll carry over to Season 3.

    J.R. funeral episode will spark A LOT of outside media interest. The appearance of a few Knots Landing characters will bring in long time fans of that show.

    And who knows how many people Lee Majors might attract, lol.
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    TNT can have Dallas run for 5-7 seasons but probably not more as at that time Duffy is 70 and Gray is nearly 80...IF TNT ponies up the $ for the right actors, MORE original actors, heavier scripts, stronger writing, intense action scenes with more on-location, drama drama drama...just look at how HBO milked The Soprano's or Sex and City or 6-Feet Under or Curb Your Enthusiasm...WRITING WRITING WRITING...since most folks today have cable tv TNT can market to many via facebook, email, twitter, CNN and advertise on other networks as well to promote DALLAS as well as on talk shows galore as they have done...shows like this are usually great the first time around but this 2.0 version has done well thus far...but starting in January may have been a mistake and with superbowl, basketball, hockey all playing out, its tough. Switching to Monday's may have been a mistake...TNT might need to pair Dallas 2.0 with an October - May season to let it run it course for 25-30 episodes and go head to head against other main stream networks...rather than this 6-month stint stuff...

    WHO ARE YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS TNT that you are marketing this show to? 18-34, 35-49, 50-64, 65+ which is it...many of us in our 40's now watched the original, know it inside and out and want to see older original actors return but with quality scripts...those younger in their 20's as new fans or our children in some cases need to see hot young people who can act, carry the torch, hold the scenes, sound sincere, command the screen and take control of it with the camera on them...fancy cars, pretty faces and tight cut physiques won't do it alone...this isn't Y&R or B&B or DOOL filled with gym rats and bimbos on screen...you must ensure Dallas 2.0 establishes ASAP MORE on-screen chemistry, emotion, passion, energy, anger, family gatherings...but it can't all happen in 40 minutes with 20 minutes of commercials as you know TNT, you pump and prime DALLAS for the $ it can generate off the commercial air-time...that is NOT WHAT CBS DID and it lasted for CBS for 13 years albeit some years weren't as highly rated as others but CBS made a fortune off of Dallas 1.0 and TNT you can as well provided executives at TNT stop putting profits entirely before people and quality of shows and emphasize RATINGS with drama, drama, drama...just my opine...BTW how about showing some more of Sue Ellen's Porsche Panamera and giving Lee Majors or Harris Ryland a Porsche Cayenne GTS and getting a new Carrera 911 convertible...Corvette's are fine and dandy for Lucy but not for John Ross he should have had my 911 Carrera or Cayenne GTS...how about adding a Ewing 7 to Ann's Chevy-GMC truck that has a plain old Texas license plate you forgot to include in the "Ewing" plate branding? John Ross has Ewing 6 which was formely Lucy's so let's get with it folks...you might have to add Ewing 7, 8 and 9...Thanks for letting me opine...
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    I hope it get's renewed, as long as they have John Ross III as the only male lead. I don't care about Christopher, just kill him off or make him a supporting character.
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    Yes there will be a season three. Also of note, is that the cable networks don't cut episodes from a season order, so 15 is what we will get here.

    While I will miss Larry & his JR (my favorite character in the history of television), there is a part of me that is looking forward to seeing how things unfold post JR. There is so much potential and it may give other cast members a chance to shine in their own right. I think Larry was a once in a lifetime person that soared above those around him, that he always managed to draw the focus to him everytime he was on screen. He really had a rare gift.
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    I hope it continues but i also wish that either Cidre would rewatch ALL of the original series and re-evaluate things, OR that TNT would fire her and bring in someone else
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    It will most likely get a season 3. They won't cancel this before other shows on there. This is an original that's a contination. They most likely want to give it good closure. Somehow, I think it will get renewed. I think we won't find out the killer right away, but hopefully before the end of the season, so people will keep tuning in. Then in season 3, if the ratings go down more, that might be it. But This is the best of all the revivals so far. 90210 has gone on for 5 seasons and most likely will be cancelled this year or get a short final season, Melrose Place only needed 13 shows, not the additional 8...those 8 did not reveal questions of the original characters. Dallas has been good so far, there's no telling what they will do by the end of this season, and most likely season 3. I think season 3 will get a 10 show order if ratings are low and stay low. But somehow I think the finale will be BIGGER this time.
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    I hope so.

    I guess it all depends on how season two goes and what ratings it will pull in.

    Does anyone know if syndications rights still means anything for the production companies?

    Since if it does I am guessing they will try to reach 100 episodes before cancelling it.
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    I honestly don't know. If the ratings slide down, I would say probably not. Almost all of the publicity they have gotten for the new season is the "Remembering Larry Hagman" variety- they obviously can't coast on that next year so they will probably get very little publicity for another season. Also, I really think Jesse Metcalfe drives away an audience, he's just terrible. They need to get rid of him as soon as possible- even before the season is over. I enjoyed the first two episodes of this new season-minus the creepster- and I'm exciting to see what they have planned about JR and Pam, I hope it's good and not too lame. It's kinda too early to be talking about cancellation already. But Jesse Metcalfe- he HAS TO GO!! If they keep him, they don't deserve to get another season.
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    Agree, the ratings will probably decide, especially if there is no boost for JR's funeral (which is very possible).

    The cost of production of course also will be a factor.
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    Serialized dramas have never had a lot of value in syndication. Dallas was an infamous flop when it first entered syndication. It has been sold to Netflix and series one and two will be available in Jan 2014. Cable networks have been finding putting dramas on the streaming service boosts the audience for new season. New fans binge feast and then tune in. This might help Dallas and some sources say this all but guarantees a third season.

    Ratings are still king and the season two premiere may have sealed the fate. Unless there is a dramatic tick up it probably cannot survive.
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    If I had to, I'd wager that the show will get a season three unless the ratings take a serious plunge. The ratings are still respectable, even if they have declined. Cable networks tend to be a lot more forgiving with shows that aren't smash hits, since they don't have as many potential new shows waiting in the wings that a major network would have. "Southland" had only 1.69 million viewers for its season four finale -- and TNT still renewed the show for a 5th season. "American Horror Story" is considered a hit for FX, and its ratings are lower than new "Dallas".
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    Although the ratings for the premiere were somewhat disappointing, let's not jump on this sudden 'ratings-are-bad' bandwagon. They are still very similar to what they were when they leveled off last summer, after the initial frenzy surrounding the June launch subsided. We have to wait and see how the season as a whole performs.

    Ultimately, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes at TNT and Warner Horizon. What's the cost per episode? What's the ad income (including repeat airings)? To what extent do deals like the one with Netflix or international syndication offset losses? How many of those international markets where Dallas performed badly will not be purchasing the second or a third season?

    We just don't have the big picture. And one can't really go on the public ratings information alone anymore. Especially when it comes to cable networks, which are much more unpredictable with their renew-or-cancel decisions than the traditional broadcast networks.



    By the way, here's that recent Variety article on the Netflix deal which states:

    "The timing of the arrival of "Dallas" on Netflix is a clear signal that TNT and "Dallas" producer Warner Horizon Television see the show as running at least three seasons on the cabler."

    http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118064619/
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    If it survives, I hope it does so because it is doing well - to keep it going if the ratings are falling would just not be good. But bringing in quality actors like Lee Majors can only be a good thing.

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    It's the writing. If that continues to be as lame as it was in the first 2 episodes then even the most loyal viewers will tune out. I watched the Netflix adaption of 'House of Cards' - Michael Dobbs' novel of political skulduggery. It was everything I wanted Dallas 2.0 to be: edgy, well paced with good characterisation.
    It helps that Kevin Spacey is the central villain, of course.
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    Most cable series don't traditionally last more than five or six years, correct?
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    In the world of cable they also count how much buzz a series is getting and what kind of prestige it might bring, especially hash tag networks like AMC was before Mad Men/Breaking Bad. TNT also has the advantage of Dallas being a mother show, Warners, and strong international sales which probably put it in the black right off the back. This alone could keep the show running for some time.

    What is not factored in very clearly is the new paradigm of watching it outside the broadcast. I don't have cable and am a cord cutter and only watch on-line or later in the cycle (DVD, Netflix) if that is not available. I suspect that this new phenomenon is especially prevalent among younger viewers. People who purchase it on-line, as I do, and streaming on the locked down version of TNT must generate a hefty percentage of the total. I don't think the current rating systems captures that at all.
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    It is hard to say. The premiere rating was somewhat disappointing but 3 million viewers is still a good number for a cable show. It should be noted that ratings were down for almost all of TNT's series. The key demographic rating is the one that should be focused on. If it doesn't go below a 0.8 or 0.7, renewal is likely (hopefully it will get a little bit higher). A lot of people somehow didn't seem to know it had premiered (most of them casual fans), so we will see if the ratings go up slightly this Monday. I would think some of the entertainment shows like Entertainment Tonight will largely hype the J.R.Funeral episode so surely that will have higher ratings. What concerns me is that the season premiere is almost always the highest rated episode for any show. I was a big fan of Kelsey Grammar's show, Boss, which had very high ratings its first few episodes and was critically acclaimed yet cancelled after two seasons. Times have changed and dramas just don't do that well anymore. If Dallas can stay between 3-4 million viewers, I think you get a third season.

    Someone else touched on this regarding syndication. Shows like Dallas, even the original, never drew strong rerun numbers. The original after a few years didn't even show reruns in the summer. Cidre is doing a good job, some want to blame the writing but this is 2013, I suspect the original wouldn't get that big of numbers in today's world either. My concern is what kind of ratings the show will get after J.R.'s funeral?
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    I believe that the tax deal they get with shooting in Dallas runs through year 7 of the show, and that most actor contracts are for that length of time. So I bet they are looking at a 7 season run. Michael Robin has done 2 shows of note before this one, "Nip/Tuck" & "The Closer". Both got seven year runs.
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    TNT's "Franklin & Bash" fell to 2.1 million viewers and a 0.6 demo rating at one point during its run last summer and still got renewed for a third season, which will air this year.

    Also, TNT says they focus on the 25-54 demo rather than the usually coveted 18-49 demo, which is good for Dallas, since its audience is more likely to be aged 50-54 than 18-24.

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