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Good God Cliff...

Discussion in 'DALLAS ON TNT DISCUSSION FORUM' started by JohnRoss2nd, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. JohnRoss2nd

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    So Cliff's plane is "moved" to the town where J.R. died THAT NIGHT (forgetting how that even turned up on Cliff's emails or whatever John Ross was reading), his gun was stolen from his locker at the shooting range AND Pamela just randomly says "hey Dad, let's take a trip down to Nuevo Laredo". He didn't have the slightest suspicion at any point here? I mean I'm all for soaps getting some literary license but jesus, this is Cliff Barnes. He was supposed to be a shrewd, manipulative man. Forget the character assassination in making him an evil genius, I can just about get over that. But his actions in the finale were painful to watch. Where was the guy that busted the Wally Hampton sting? The guy that's been keeping his sister's death a secret for two decades? The guy that just pulled off perhaps the most elaborate set-up in Dallas history to bring down Ewing Energies? And what does "my plane was moved!" even mean?? Vintage Cidre. Oh and another thing, he would have alibis. And that bank deposit box would have surveillance footage. But meh, to the cells with him. He deserves it after walking blindly into one of J.R.'s weaker traps.
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    JRandSueEllenForever Well-Known Member

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    Yep, kinda funny how the most paranoid man on the planet missed all this stuff JR was doing. I don't even feel bad that Cliff is sitting in jail for something he didn't do. I consider it punishment and poetic justice for all the other crap he's done over the past 25 years.

    "I don't believe it. You have succeeded in becoming the perfect failure. I just don't believe it." --JR to Cliff
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    Of course, they would have record of who went in his safety deposit box and there would no prints of his on the buckle. Not only that, he could threaten to expose Pamela's involvement in the death of Tommy Sutter- after all, she doesn't know what he might have. It's all nonsense and there are so many ways he could get out of it. The plot doesn't just require just "suspension of disbelief"- it requires "electroshock treatment."
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    Its almost as though J.R. got his ultimate revenge for Cliff getting Ewing Oil and also ridding the family of him once and for all, thus ending the feud.. so to speak. I still say that should Dallas continue, revealing that Katherine is alive and teaming the two of them together against Bobby and the Ewings (including Pamela Rebecca once she learns that John Ross is just a bad as his father was) would make for great storyline and would carry the feud (the most important element of Dallas) forward because it seems to me that without it Dallas isnt Dallas. Its the feud and the inner conflict within the Ewing family itself and a blend of both that made Dallas a recipe for success.
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    I am still trying to finalize in my mind what was so masterful about the Masterpiece. Every time I come up with some excuse for one error, others show up. The feud is not over. Just like plenty of drug lords or mob kings, Cliff will use others to run his feud from inside the jail, until he gets out just like he used those papers (which may our may not have been forged) to incite Elena to go against the Ewings. Cliff will eventually get out of jail. The evidence is too flimsy to hold him on charges of killing JR. It would have been better if Cliff was taken down because of the fraud he perpetuated on Christopher and others by pretending Pam was alive for 24 years.

    When Cliff was ranting that his plane was moved and he was framed, he also said Vickers lied about Cliff's knowledge/participation in exploding the rig. Since Vickers was telling the truth (Cliff was lying about that), perhaps Cliff was in Nuevo Laredo that night and Cliff is lying about that also.
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    The plane being moved still baffles me? Maybe its a set up for his alibi & they can prove he wasn't even in Nuevo Laredo & he gets off. Otherwise it seems like a nonsense line out of nowhere.
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    The season finale was written the way it was (with much finality) because they obviously didn't know (and still don't know) if the show will continue. Ending the Barnes Ewing feud with Cliff sitting in jail. We used to say the show couldn't continue without JR. But it also can't continue without the Barnes Ewing feud. Is Cidre going to try and replace that feud with a Ramos Ewing feud? Are the Ramoses going to be the new Barneses? The whole Barnes Ewing feud erupted because Digger felt Jock wronged him and cheated him. Same idea with the Ramoses, only this time it was JR who wronged and cheated out their pappy.
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    I miss the old cliff barnes he was funny on original dallas
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    And who moved the plane? Surely there was a flight plan? You don't just move a plane. It's all so stupid.
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    I'm still trying to figure out why Cliff suddenly pulled those papers for Elena out of his hat now. Why not years ago? I would say they're forgeries. If the Barnes Ewing feud continues, it'll be because Cliff is making up stuff for his lawyers to draw up from his jail cell.
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    Cliff knew people were on that rig. He KNEW that his pregnant daughter was on that rig and he still gave the go ahead to blow up the rig. He could have killed his own daughter and HE DID kill those babies. Cliff tells Pamela, Roy Vickers is a liar!! And no he is not! He was telling the truth!!

    And some of you are still defending Cliff? Cliff got exactly what he deserved!! He is sitting in jail which is where he needs to be and stay!!
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    He's sitting in jail for the wrong crime and that came be describe in one word - injustice.
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    I can understand them wanting to end the Barnes/Ewing feud, but I found it so strange that it appeared just because Bobby SAID the feud was over, that it somehow was OVER. I actually thought what Cliff said was smart, when Pamela Rebecca finds out he was framed, it would just start up again. It would be different if the circumstances appeared as if the feud would not be able to continue on any level (say both Cliff and PR were dead, as well as Pam and Katherine) but that's not the case at all. And even in Mexico, I think Cliff will get a trial. He has a better chance of beating that than going to the US with a "confession" which means there would be NO TRIAL at all, he would just get sentenced for the rest of his life. If he confesses, I don't think there is a trial.
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    First of all the plane was not moved- flight plan and all. The woman with JR the night he died said Cliff was in the bar that night-so his plane was there. If the gun was stolen from Cliffs locker I am sure he reported it- there is a police report. Getting into Cliffs safety deposit box- there is a record of who was in there too (like someone mentioned). The "frame" is weak at best but in Mexico who knows if he will even get a trial. Somehow Bobby turning the corner and framing Cliff when all the ever does is speak of justice seems so wrong and out of character and he may break down and spring him out of jail out of guilt. Cliff has a better chance of getting out of (or paying his way out of) a Mexican prison than Ryland does for transporting drugs. Ryland will lose everything- when drugs are involved in a crime they can seize everything - which means Emma helped bankrupt her daddy and grandmother (and herself).

    What is all this about not knowing of a season three? Patrick Duffy did an interview with TV guide on April 9 and mentioned season three starting in the summer.
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    Forget the plane, there are no witnesses to his Marlin fishing trip? An old man like that had no one who can vouch for his whereabouts? A man with a security force, servants, powerful friends, a company full of yes men? He went all hermit and went by himself? The pilot of his personal plane had amnesia?
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    This entire frame-up of Cliff is ridiculous. The only way I can make any sense of it, is if Carlos Del Sol is pulling some strings with the Mexican police to keep Cliff in jail. Cliff will eventually get out either legally because the case falls apart or because Cliff bribes someone. And when Cliff does get out, he will be even more intent on revenge against the Ewings than he ever was before. The Barnes-Ewing feud is not over, it is just on hold. The choices made by Bobby, John Ross and Christopher to hide the real truth about JR's death will come back to bite them in the ass. Juicy secrets like that don't stay secret forever especially when there is a paper trail (JR's letter) that spells eveything out. I know John Ross is probably keeping the letter because it is the last communication from his dad, but all I could think when Bobby gave it to him was if you are smart you will burn that damn letter right now. Someone (my guess is Pamela) is going to find the letter at the absolute worst possible time and all hell will break loose.

    I think Cliff deserves to be in jail for everything he has done, but Cliff's very real crimes do not excuse what the Ewings did either. :)
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    All I do know is that this feud resolution has to be the dumbest masterplan that I have ever heard or watched in my life. So the Ewings finally took Cliff's company from him only they didn't, Cliff gave his proxy to their new enemy Elena. Apparently JR screwed over Papi Ramos ages ago, yet Elena is so mad at Bobby and Chris, yeah that makes sense that she is going to hide out in Mexico with Joaquin and extract her revenge on two people that have been nothing but nice to her. One being the man who is supposed to be the love of her life and her soul mate.

    Then you have Cliff's daughter that was duped into making her think that he killed JR, was made to believe that John Ross actually cared about her when Bobby told him to play on her emotions after the death of her unborn children. Her now husband who is going to go out and have an affair on her a few days after they are married because that is smart when she has a third of the company. Bobby gives JR's suicide note to John Ross and thinks that is going to keep it safe and no one will ever learn the truth. Bum is still walking around when the letter clearly states that JR arranged for Bum to off him, furthermore who calls his son to have himself be shot over the phone and let said son hear it?

    So in other words the masterplan that JR worked so hard to end a feud over basically ended up with a new feud of the Ewings and the Ramos which still makes no sense in the grand scheme of things, I don't get why Elena is so pissed at Bobby and Chris about it. Bobby will eventually be found out as the ring leader who set Cliff up for a crime that he didn't commit. Pamela is going to find out about the letter, about John Ross screwing Emma and be to hell with the Ewings taking back her shares. Which will basically re-ignite the Barnes/Ewing feud.

    This masterpiece like everything else that CC writes all falls apart at the end of the season to wash/repeat the same storylines next season.
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    I don't care! Cliff got EXACTLY what he deserved!
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    He can still have a trial. Confessing doesn't mean he's entered a plea in court. He can always plead not guilty and then presumably the state would enter his confession into evidence and then he could testify as to why he confessed and that Bobby blackmailed him into it. He'd get off in two seconds. Also, if he confessed without being read his Miranda rights, then that could easily be an issue for him to bring up at trial. Besides, who would he confess to - Bobby? So Cliff gets out of jail in Mexico and returns to Texas and it's Bobby's word vs. Cliff's. If I were Cliff, I'd take that gamble. He'd win it.
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    Witnesses are bought off all the time.

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