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If Dallas Returned in the style of the new Twin Peaks

Discussion in 'Dallas TNT' started by Cliff Barnes, Apr 16, 2017.

  1. Cliff Barnes

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    The twin peaks return coming up with all the original creators involved alongside a lot of original cast has once again made me think of what could be. What if Netflix, for example, told David Jacobs he could do a wrap up final season his way, with complete creative control? I wonder if he would be interested in such an option, as well as one for knots. Another one is Gilmore girls, yet instead of a season it got a series of 4 movies. That would also be a good idea I think, since it would require less commitment from the studio than one more full season. I'm sure the reality is that dallas is done forever, but just in case anyone from wb or David Jacobs ever comes looking at this forum, I figured I would throw it out there.
     
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    I remember David Jacobs saying that he wished the TNT series all the best, but was never consulted when it was revived. But he did say that he would have done it very differently - having the sons the other way around - Christopher was the JR character and John Ross as the Bobby character - which would certainly have given rise to better family conflict.

    I doubt we'll see Dallas again too, but to me TNT just wasn't Dallas.

    Dallas was about The Ewings vs The Barnes, it had fantastic characters that they interacted with throughout it's run, wonderfully rounded characters who popped up here and there and really added to the substance of the show.

    When TNT took over they took the Ewings off center stage, they redesigned their house so there wasn't even a feel of familiarity about it, they invaded the house with people who were servants, who treated as their own home. They introduced relationships that were just invented and had no history in the show and, of course, they gave Cliff Barnes a completely new persona.

    What TNT failed to realise was what made Dallas so successful - Dallas was Character led, it had just as much lightness as it had shade. People tuned in because they cared for the characters and all stories resolved around The Ewings, Barnes and Ewing Oil.

    If Dallas were ever to come back, they need to forget the TNT series, bring it back with the Southfork we know and love, fill it with everyone that TNT failed to establish - Lucas, Margaret, etc. Have Bobby & Sue Ellen as the older family members, with John Ross as the good son and Christopher as the bad son.

    Lucy would be there, with her children, Ray would be back on his own ranch...with his relationship with Donna and Margaret ongoing. Dallas was about Family and family feuds, not Mexican drug cartels and orgies.

    Bring it back, but PLEASE honour it's past respectfully.
     
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    I definitely think David Jacobs' idea of having John Ross be the good one and Chris be the bad one would have been more interesting as it would have caused a lot of more tension and drama in their relationships with their parents.

    Yes Dallas was definitely character led. It was and still is the characters that makes Dallas so interesting to watch. Okay so most of the storylines in the original were interesting and ground breaking too. It tackled some social issues etc.
    Oh and the casting was great too. But that's about the one thing the Dallas TNT version had going for it. Excellent casting.

    I also second that if Dallas was ever to come back and be wrapped up properly most of the TNT crap would have to be forgotten about.
    I like the idea of John Ross married to Pamela Rebecca but that's it.
    Everything else can just go away!
     
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    I don't believe Dallas could ever be finalized, we have spent nearly 40 years of investment with the Ewing family. It's one of those few stories - if handled appropriately - could go on forever albeit in a different format. Netflix is the perfect platform for a series like Dallas however I'd commission a full series (25 episodes). Allow the story to be organic, concluding with a slight wrap-up/cliffhanger type episode. Rest the series for a few years (possibly 5) and do the same thing again. This may not appease us die-hard fans but it also prevents burn-out.

    Prior - or just after - the premiere of TNT Dallas I was interested in David Jacobs back story of making Christopher the evil son of a bitch (literally) and John Ross the placid young man. This would have upend the family dynamic and be a pleasant surprise to viewers since they would be expecting John Ross to be a carbon copy of JR.

    During Lorimar Dallas when JR and Bobby were fighting for control of Ewing Oil and shortly after Rebecca's death there is a brilliant scene between Miss Ellie and Sue Ellen at Southfork.

    Miss Ellie says, "Think ahead Sue Ellen, think 25 or 30 years ahead, I won't be here then and the fight won't be between JR and Bobby, it'll be between John Ross and Christopher....think carefully Sue Ellen." (Side note; just love these early years of Dallas.)

    The opening sequence to TNT Dallas showed promise but perhaps in hindsight I would have John Ross in the white lab coat researching alternative energies (much to JR's displeasure) and Christopher drilling for oil close to the Southfork Ranch border (much to JR's pleasure and Bobby's quiet discontent.)

    At the forefront of Dallas should be the Ewing family followed closely by Ewing Oil and Southfork. This is what made the original series (before the silliness crept in) so bloody good to watch.
     
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    I'm not as enamoured of the idea of Christopher bad, John Ross good as some are - the "old switcheroo" is really just another cliché - but I do like the idea of a Netflix-type revival in the hands of the original creators and including as many of the known family as possible.

    I don't think TNT series should be abandoned entirely though, just as it was a mistake to retcon out the TV movies. For better or worse it exists, although it wouldn't be necessary to follow up on every detail - just don't directly contradict it.
     
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    Well, TNT Dallas should never be acknowledged again as part of Dallas- should be written off as a bad dream. If any part was revived- no substantial audience would be interested, anyway.

    But David Jobs doing an additional season to explore the themes of original Dallas and how those times affected the characters, I would be interested in that. It's so hard, though with two of the biggest characters gone and unable to participate. I think a chance to humanize the Bobby character again would not be bad instead of the horrible blowhard the character ended up becoming. Character studies could be interesting. Sue Ellen is now so far from her beauty queen days, how has that affected her? Many like her don't taking aging very gracefully. Even Lucy, who seemed spurned by her parents even after they seemed to come back together and make another family of their own but seemed to leave her out of it- there are rich things to mine there.
     
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    I'm not being mean when I say this: Dallas won't return. The end.
     
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    There is nothing mean in that statement...simply because it's probably true. However, the TV landscape can change over time. We may not see Dallas re-visited in 5 or 10 years time but there is nothing to say some brave TV Executive may decide to do a continuation in 20 years time. What's the old saying, "Never say never."
     
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    Well, I now look at TNT Dallas as another chapter in the Dallas Universe. Not a good chapter I'll add but unfortunately it's there. Like a bad novel I tossed it out into the trash - never to be seen or spoken of again - in my company.
     
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    I guess for me, besides obviously viewing it as being bad, I viewed it more as a failed reboot because it seems they ripped off and rewrote several of the original plots, and that's not a continuation for me, more of a re-imaging of the original show, so I can dismiss it more easily than others who might not see it that way.
     
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    I've characterised it in the past as a reboot disguised as a continuation by including original cast members but semantics aside, viewers are free to accept or reject what they choose. I for one still recognise the movies no matter what the official line is.
     
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    I think we all need to quit bitching about TNT Dallas and just accept and like it for what it is and it was no different then that damn dream season in fact I think it was better in some ways lol and sorry for the language but come on!
     
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    You know I don't normally respond to remarks like the above in fear of being slapped across the face by a tormented keyboard but here goes. I understand your frustration at the continuing critiques of TNT Dallas but there is a difference between "bitching" and offering criticism and praise against a television show spanning nearly 40 years which has - at times - treated its fans with contempt, and trust me, Dallas fans have had to put up with a lot.

    You mention the "Dream Season". There were some excellent little moments in that season apart from the sudden "Dynasty" influence. I've personally offered my critique of this season but it was the cliffhanger and subsequent reveal that the entire previous season was just a dream that caused a lot of Dallas fans to re-think their allegiance to the show.

    As Lorimar Dallas limped towards its inevitable end I was excited when News filtered through a reunion movie was being produced. As if the first one wasn't bad enough they then inflict us with more of the same.

    Then TNT Dallas was announced. This came as a huge surprise. Personally I had my fingers and toes crossed the writers and producers would get this right. We now lived in an era of high definition. I was looking forward to seeing Southfork and surrounding lands in glorious HD. A strong story that focused on the Ewing family. But, once again it missed the mark. I accept others liked the new direction and there were some fine elements of old Dallas in there - I just wanted more.

    Whether I agree or not with other posters regarding Lorimar Dallas or TNT Dallas I thoroughly enjoy my time here at soapchat reading posts which offer different views. :group:
     
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    I enjoy bitching about TNT Dallas, but I do agree with you. I don't even consider it real. I wish that TNT would just make an announcement saying that none of it is officially related to Lorimar Dallas, and to just disregard it.
     
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    :clap::clap:
     
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    Agree for the most part. I loved the dream season, but I think we need to be grateful that Dallas made a comeback after so many years. At least we got to see Larry as JR one last time.
     
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    very true Sarah :)
     
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    Hear!!!! Hear!!!!:clap::popcorn:
     
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    Like, we had one really really excellent scene:

    But the build up! The action! The tension! Where was that? In the old Dallas, essentially. We wanted John Ross to confront Sue Ellen since then and it was an easy scene to write. But what about the continuation?
     
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    This was the kind of drama I had hoped for in TNT Dallas and the scene between mother and son was 30 years of pent-up anger from John Ross. I loved it when Sue Ellen ushered the word "bullsh!t". Words like this were never spoken in Lorimar Dallas and others have taken issue with the swearing in TNT Dallas however at times scenes like the one we witnessed between Sue Ellen and John Ross was justified. For those that watched the series from the get go they understood exactly where John Ross was coming from. I also felt both sympathy and rage at Sue Ellen. I understood her concerns witnessing John Ross's similar traits to JR but then I felt like throwing the bottle at Sue Ellen for allowing alcohol to wraps its comforting arms around her again.

    The kitchen scene explains everything about the history of Dallas. Perhaps someone should have sat Cynthia & Co., down and pointed out this fact.
     
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