Classic Soaps (I'm Still) Watching Another World

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  1. Canon

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    Came across this on the tweet machine...

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    In my mind, I can see Anne Heche playing out this story as Vicky and Marley, but of course it wasn't her at this point, was it?
     
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    This was the 'reign' of Ellen Wheeler. Though Heche certainly would have done a great job, it would have ended up becoming a Vicky story rather than a Marley story. At this time in the show, Vicky was an interloper, seen as an outsider threatening the happiness of our heroine Marley (in a sense the way "Sharly" was a threat to Sharlene). This was only a year or so ahead of when I got hooked on the show, so I recognize most of the names even if the plots aren't jumping out at me.

    This is a synopsis published in Soap Opera Digest. At the time it was a bi-monthly magazine that would summarize what happened on all the soaps, though the summaries were about two weeks old by the time they got published (ah, those pre-internet days). I'm estimating this is from 1985, since they mention Brittany a lot. :D Sharon Gabet (who played Brittany) had just come off a long-term gig as Raven Whitney on The Edge of Night, and AW had hired her to jolt their ratings. Apparently she was really front burner during this two-week period.

    Brittany's friend Zane ended up becoming one of Felicia's husbands. Sally was killed off and Catlin reunited with ex-wife Brittany after she had an abusive marriage to Peter (Donna's brother). You have a pretty good idea of what happened with Cass and Kathleen, and obviously Marley and Vicky survived the bone marrow transplant. Jamie's relationship with MJ ended, obviously, just as all his relationships did :) and Larry Ewing (the town cop) was replaced first by Adam Cory, then by Ryan Harrison. Oh, and the reason Vicky had to cover up her knowledge of the Love mansion's layout? She had been impersonating her twin sister for several weeks without Donna, Peter, or the staff knowing. Jake had been "distracting" Marley (and falling in love with her) while Vicky was acting like Marley...only to have Marley fall ill and force the issue. It must have been quite fun to watch; I know I loved it when Heche played one twin pretending to be the other.
     
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    You'd never guess from where I began or the episodes I'm watching now that Marley came first. Marley often seems like the outsider, the one in the shadow of Vicky.

    From the clips you've posted, I think it would take some time to get used this take on the twins.
     
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    Marley had been around for a while as the Town Virgin/Goody-Two-Shoes before Head Writer Maggie DePriest (I think it was her) realized that Wheeler was a really talented woman who deserved to be able to play more than a two-dimensional role like Marley was at that time. We'd known Marley for a year or so without any hint of their being a twin sister out there, much less one so different from Marley. I can see why people would be unsure of whether they wanted to accept this overly made-up, overtly sexual woman into the fabric of the show, since she was rolling her eyes at heroine Marley all the time and trying to make her miserable. Wheeler, for her part, did such a good job that she won the Outstanding Ingenue (Young Actress) Emmy for 1986.

    Developing the "secret twin given away at birth" plot was a dual role for Wheeler, but moreover it was a great twist for Anna Stuart's Donna, another talented actress saddled with a rather two-dimensional role as "snobby society bitch". Remember that up to that point, Marley believed Donna was her older sister; Vicky's appearance in town blew that whole family dynamic out of the water. No one at that time knew whether this plot twist would be a success or if it would go down in flames. In the hands of a lesser actress it might have been a disaster. Vicky was MUCH more of a villainous figure when she arrived, as was Jake and even BRIDGET (who was in on their schemes to some extent). This might have been a way of creating an "out" if the story had to be scuttled. The bone marrow story that is referred to in the synopsis above did do a lot to bond Marley and Vicky, but they kept having falling-outs over various issues (like Jake) because...let's face it: they're more fun to watch arguing and fighting when you know it's all split-screen and body doubles. :)

    When Wheeler left the show, they immediately recast Vicky only--that is, actress Rhonda Lewin was hired only to play Vicky, as Marley and Jake had married and left town. Nothing had to be said about the "face change" because Wheeler and Lewin were never on screen together. Lewin's Vicky lasted less than a year, and Anne Heche was hired right out of high school to first play Vicky, and then later to bring Marley back, too. So there were periods of time when we only got to see one twin or the other, which may have helped change the perceptions of which twin was 'dominant' if that's the best term.
     
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    And Vicky, let's face it, became the dominant twin because
    Marley fell victim to the overused-but-familiar soap trope--inability to bear children, which means almost certain character stagnation.
     
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    "God forgive me Cass, if Lorna is my daughter...I don't want to know it."

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    Yes, they certainly have got a lot in common! It will be very interesting to see how Lorna reacts, and of course Jenna too.
     
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    Felicia and her hats. Fantastic.
     
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    I just love writing those 'not-quite-spoilery' lines and waiting for you to see what I meant. :D

    How much more of AW do you have in your stash, @Canon?

    Alicia Coppola looks like she could be the product of John Aprea and Linda Dano. Well, if you squint a bit. Both ladies have a keen sense of fashion, to be sure. Though I don't think mother and daughter ought to be raiding each others' closets! [/eye bleach]

    There was a hilarious bit they did on the show at some point where Lorna and Donna were both on the Tops set. Donna was seated at a table and Lorna slinked by in one of her sausage-casing dresses. Donna watched her pass, then rolled her eyes so hard, I'm surprised her retinas didn't detach. It was so funny the show used the clip in the closing credits scenes.
     
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    Something else I think you teased on the old thread, the arrival of Geoff Pierson's character. He's finally here and has charmed Ada into selling her restaurant to him with the condition that she'd stay on as manager. He has no intention of keeping her on now that the papers have been signed. It's not easy to con a woman like Ada, so I'm curious to see how she'll get her own back.

    October 5, 1992 is the final episode, I've just started May 1992. I'm re-watching Dallas at the moment, so I've slowed down quite a bit with my AW viewing.
     
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    You do not tangle with a gutsy broad like Ada Hobson. Better men and women have tried.



    From the comments: "Ada f***ed Mrs. Chancellor up!" (the matron was played by Jeanne Cooper, later of The Young and the Restless)



    Richard Egan tries, but I get the idea she ain't listening.
     
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    Oh, A Summer Place has been on my list of things to watch for a while now, because of Ada of course. I'll have to check out House of Women too.

    I've just realised that I must be watching Ada's final few months on the show, as the actress died in 1993. Which is sad as Ada has just started talking about her retirement.
     
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    House of Women aired on Turner Classic Movies recently as part of a prison-themed marathon. But it aired past my bedtime. :lol:
     
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    Oops!

    After he lost Sharlene, John placed a candle in the window with the promise that he'd keep it lit until she returned home. It was nicely placed in this scene...

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    But what a nice consolation prize. Too bad she's waaaaay too much woman for a simple guy like John.
     
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    Well, at least it's the correct Donna. The other one never looks quite right to my eyes.
     
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    FauxDonna (Philece Sampler) was simply too young-looking to play this role believably. Granted, she was only eight years younger than Anna Stuart, but those years make a difference when playing the mother of eighteen year-old daughters.

    David Forsyth would make a nifty recast of Dr. Jeff Webber on GH, come to think of it. And since we never saw/met Liz Webber's mother, why not have Anna Stuart play her in a guest-starring gig?
     
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    If David Forsyth ever returned to daytime, I have a friend who would lose her mind. The only other daytime actor to capture a similar devotion in her eyes was Stephen Nichols.
     
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    Jill Farren Phelps would come out from under her rock to resume her stalking/obsession of him. So better for all concerned that Forsyth continue to keep a low profile, I guess. :re:

    I wonder if @Canon will get to see John's scintillating "romance" with Kelsey? Perhaps there would be some youtube videos of paint drying that would be a better use of his time? :D
     
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    LOL. One would hope that, having murdered her career, that Phelps would continue to resign herself to dressing like Passanante and ghostwriting GH. :lol:
     
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    John and Kelsey?!? :eek: but but they seem to be setting her up with Jamie right now. Although they always seem to be testing Jamie on someone.
     
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