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NC "Marriage" Amendment

Discussion in 'Politics, philosophy and religion' started by Olivia Benson, May 8, 2012.

  1. Olivia Benson

    Olivia Benson Well-Known Member

    JMO. I think it's ridiculous.

    North Carolina already has a law banning gay marriage. What this is doing is taking it a step further, saying absolutely no civil unions or domestic partnerships.

    Alright. There's a number of issues here. If North Carolina doesn't recognize civil unions or domestic partnerships any longer, I can see insurance plans going right out the window with dependent children on them. How about situations with living wills, powers of attorney?

    http://www.progressnc.org/2012/01/amendment-one-lets-debate-the-facts-not-fiction-or-phobias.html
  2. SnarkyOracle!

    SnarkyOracle! Well-Known Member

    We gotta stand up for Jesus! Lest we lay down with the Devil! :eek:
  3. Olivia Benson

    Olivia Benson Well-Known Member

    Haha!

    A friend asked me to go with her and her husband to their baptist church on Sunday. I had never been to one. I came out of there feeling like a little less of a woman and more damned. lol And you know for sure the amendment came up -- "between ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, the way GOD INTENDED!!" "AMEN!!"

    Honestly, the pastor lost me the minute he put the words "women" and "submit" in the same sentence.
  4. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    Since it is being voted on today, we'll have to wait until this evening to see how it turns out.
  5. Olivia Benson

    Olivia Benson Well-Known Member

    Yes. When I was at the polls, I heard some officials telling stories of how people multiple people were trying to vote twice--they'd done the early vote and then they showed up today to vote again and got pissed when they were turned away.
  6. McGarrett .

    McGarrett . Well-Known Member

    I still don't understand why some gays dont want their own tradition..

    I mean for decades they wanted to be accepted as being what they are....... But except when it comes to marriage.. Then they want to be the same..........
  7. anndra_w

    anndra_w Well-Known Member

    It's about equality. I think a lot if gay people just want to feel like they can live their lifes as freely as anyone else. If allowing them to get married helps them feel more equal then why should they not. I don't think it's difficult to understand at all. Gay people want acceptance and equality. Of course they have want to be accepted for what they are and allowing them to marry is a way of doing just that. Not all people straight or gay want to get married but those who want to should surely be allowed to? I can't see any justification for not allowing it unless we're living in a theocracy. This is the Western World not Iran. I say this as someone who is gay who just cannot get my head around the idea of me being "married" to a guy but if there's people who want to why should not?
  8. Olivia Benson

    Olivia Benson Well-Known Member

    So far it looks like the amendment has passed.

    Somehow I think this may be overturned within the next generation.
  9. SnarkyOracle!

    SnarkyOracle! Well-Known Member

    The Homosexual is defeated! Monogamous heterosexuality reigns in Carolina!
  10. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    Congratulations, North Carolina! Way to go! You have just turned the clock back 100 years on ALL your citizens and shown the entire world what a bunch of retarded, slack-jawed, drooling knuckle draggers you actually are. Did I just say religious, too?
  11. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    It will be. Most of the retards who voted for this amendment were in the over-40 crowd. The younger people have evolved a bit ahead of their knuckle-dragging parents and will toss it out within 10..20 years. Assuming that the country is not already a god damned theocracy. The idea of enshrining butt-ugly bigotry in a constitution is worse than repulsive, it is downright unAmerican to its core.

    I wonder how many people are going to start leaving the state.
  12. McGarrett .

    McGarrett . Well-Known Member

    Yes yes this has been gone through over and over on here for years...

    And I personally have no problem with it..

    But it is NOT a right.. That is what gets lost in the sauce with the argument..

    And enough homosexuals themselves don't really care about it..

    I have been to a civil ceremony... as long as it is a celebration of love.. Who cares??..

    Marriage is what it is... It is defined as Man and Woman.. and not a right..

    It has nothing to do with equal rights!!!

    I never hear the term spouse used anymore anyway... "Domestic Partner" is now the norm..
  13. SnarkyOracle!

    SnarkyOracle! Well-Known Member

    Obama now officially supports gay marriage -- rather bravely, especially in an election year.
  14. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

  15. SnarkyOracle!

    SnarkyOracle! Well-Known Member

  16. anndra_w

    anndra_w Well-Known Member

    That's cool.

    I'd say it is a right actually. It's gay people's right to be treated equally to straight people.

    Enough to disregard the majority who support it? I don't care about gay marriage but above most things I believe in equality. The thing that I really care is equality in our society, wealth equality and social equality. Fair enough gay marriage isn't a big issue to me personally and I'm sure there are many other gay people who aren't particularly fired up by the issue. That does not mean they don't think that gay people should be treated equally to straight. I doesn't mean they think their love is less equal to that of straight couples or that they should be barred from demonstrating their love and commitment through marriage.

    It comes down to equality as far as I'm concerned.

    Or a man and multiple women depending on the culture. Our culture no longer allows polygamy but it is heading in the way of allowing same sex couples to marry. Marriage could at one time be between two children or a much older man and a girl. It has changed over time, even in Western cultures to reflect the beliefs and values of those cultures. Allowing gay to marry is the most natural way of saying that our societies view gay relationships and people as not only valid but equal as well.


    But that's not a reason to justify dissallowing gay marriages. I've never heard any real reason for not allowing while the case for allowing it's pretty strong. It's the decent thing to do.
  17. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    I've heard that before. I think that could be used to get under the skin of the anti-gay folks.
  18. McGarrett .

    McGarrett . Well-Known Member

    They are.. and so are partners.. Marriage is not a right unfortunately...



    [/QUOTE]
    Enough to disregard the majority who support it? I don't care about gay marriage but above most things I believe in equality. The thing that I really care is equality in our society, wealth equality and social equality. Fair enough gay marriage isn't a big issue to me personally and I'm sure there are many other gay people who aren't particularly fired up by the issue. That does not mean they don't think that gay people should be treated equally to straight. I doesn't mean they think their love is less equal to that of straight couples or that they should be barred from demonstrating their love and commitment through marriage.
    [/QUOTE] I don't think the majority does.... If enough people did it would be legal... The media can make anything SEEM vocal but facts are facts.. Until the people are satisfied with samesex marriage it is not going to happen..



    [/QUOTE]
    It comes down to equality as far as I'm concerned. [/QUOTE] Yeah, and that is YOU.. Become queen of the world and impose YOUR will then otherwise it takes it's course...




    [/QUOTE]
    Or a man and multiple women depending on the culture. Our culture no longer allows polygamy but it is heading in the way of allowing same sex couples to marry. Marriage could at one time be between two children or a much older man and a girl. It has changed over time, even in Western cultures to reflect the beliefs and values of those cultures. Allowing gay to marry is the most natural way of saying that our societies view gay relationships and people as not only valid but equal as well. [/QUOTE] Every country and religion has different cultures.. Ours only recognizes a man and a woman.. And that is the fact of it... Do you really believe Obama was sincere in his nod?? Seems kind of convenient after Biden went on "Meet the Press" to try it on for size..

    I will say this... As a fundamental conservative I think same sex marriages would be wonderful for the economy. and even though the divorce rate is high I still believe there is some incentive to stick together as a family if married..

    Like I said.. I personally have no problem with it.... But I also don't see the big deal in having your own tradition either... Just about every company now allows employees to use ANYBODY as a domestic partner on their insurance... Which seems to be the big sticking point...

    Is it love or just looking good on paper??





    [/QUOTE]


    But that's not a reason to justify dissallowing gay marriages. I've never heard any real reason for not allowing while the case for allowing it's pretty strong. It's the decent thing to do.[/QUOTE] and again that is you... And unfortunately you are not the authority on what is decent by yourself..
  19. fireweaver

    fireweaver Well-Known Member

    Why not a new rule: "Any two adults who want to get married should be allowed to do so. Full stop."
  20. McGarrett .

    McGarrett . Well-Known Member

    If it satisfies the people then ok.. If not then "SOL"

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