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Revenge

Discussion in 'TV Shows Central' started by Mason Carrington Colby, Nov 4, 2011.

  1. Mason Carrington Colby

    Mason Carrington Colby Active Member

    I am shocked that no one has posted anything about the new ABC series Revenge. This is one of the best shows this season, is rating really well (when normally ABC's shows in that timeslot don't rate) and is the sort of guilty pleasure that has been missing from primetime television for a long time. Anyone else been watching it?
  2. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    Every week; it is an awesome show, and it does do well in its time slot (well enough for a full season pick up). :) Emily Van Camp is awesome as lead Emily Thorne. I've never been a real fan of 'Count of Monte Cristo' so I was unsure about the show, but was proven wrong. :) A very compelling night drama, a little soapy - but in a good way. :)
  3. Mason Carrington Colby

    Mason Carrington Colby Active Member

    Yeah, I think that's what I like though. Seriously, how long has it been since we had a really good primetime soap (not a dramedy or even a normal drama)? I'm thrilled that the show is doing well and it's been picked up for a full season. :)
  4. Mel O'Drama

    Mel O'Drama Well-Known Member

    Ooh - I just Googled, and it looks really good!!

    I hope it comes to the UK. Soon!
  5. JROG

    JROG Well-Known Member

    I was just about to start a thread on the show.

    REVENGE is... just pure, soapy, brilliant entertainment. Shockingly, it has none of the whimsical, funny-funny attitude all the rest of the ABC shows have and it is all for the best. Just like RINGER, it is pure, unabashed soap and proud of it. Well-plotted, acted and produced on top of that. It has been getting better and better with each episode, more exciting and fun as info and layers on characters are revealed, and Emily VanCamp is a revelation in the part. I am hopelessly addicted (for better or for worse). WELL worth the watch, but much better if you see it from the beginning.

    DDD
  6. E.J. Andre

    E.J. Andre Active Member

    I've been watching this off-and-on. I'm on the fence about it, starting with Emily Van Camp. I'm not sure if she's extremely hot or if she's just a wooden actress. Her character seems very unaffected, maybe it's the way she plays the part. And I'm not sure about Madeline Stowe either.... there have been times (too many, I think) where the makeup department -- or maybe the directors/lighting people -- seem to be (intentionally?) making her look sort of gruesome and skeletal. If I were Maddy, I'd be going into bitch mode over that. The black English girl (the assistant of Stowe's character) is hot.

    The writing can be rather pedestrian; a few weeks ago, Stowe actually said to someone, with heighted melodramatic effect, "I'm going to DESTROY YOU!" Come on, what is this, 1985 or something? That's the best threat a writer could come up with?

    I'm going to keep tuning in, though last week, I surfed away from the show to watch a really compelling PBS special about Steve Jobs's life. That's a bad sign for this show.

    And what else has Madeline Stowe been in? I've heard the name but can't place her face.
  7. E.J. Andre

    E.J. Andre Active Member

    Sorry, I meant "heightened," not "heighted."
  8. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    Ringer is a soap? I thought it was some sort of gritty drama. Maybe I should look into it.

    I agree, Revenge needs to be watched from the first episode. There is a lot of building upon previous episodes and instances, and it would be very confusing to start in the middle of the show and wonder who Emily is trying to get and why.
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  9. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    Emily Van Camp is fabulous. She may seem a little wooden or unaffected, but that is her playing the calculating Emily Thorne, out to avenge her father's imprisonment for a crime that he did not commit. Ms. Van Camp is an excellent actress in my opinion; if you would like to see her in another role, check out Brothers & Sisters - she is awesome. :) She also received high praise for Everwood on the WB, but I never actually saw that show.

    I looked into Madeline Stowe myself, but never saw anything else that she was in.

    I really like the writing; it may go for the dramatic line of 'I will destroy you' or 'you will pay for this' but it's been done so many times before, and I always believe these actors when they say it.

    This really is my new favorite show of the season; it is truly great, I have not gotten this attached to a nighttime soap in a long time (since discovering Grey's Anatomy, but I can't really compare those two shows together).
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  10. Daniel Avery

    Daniel Avery Knots Landing Forum Moderator Staff Member

    It is an interesting premise, but I wonder how they can make it last. I mean, the entire premise of the show is her wanting to avenge her father. How long can they milk that idea? I can see a full season, maybe two--but most networks want a show to last at least five seasons (for syndication purposes). By the third season, viewers will probably get tired of the "I'm gonna get you, sucka!" premise and think she's really bad at this whole revenge thing if she hasn't sealed the deal by then. In my experience, soap viewers will only be strung along for a set period of time before they demand the plot be concluded, or they will just give up on it because the suspense just isn't there any more.
  11. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    I am going to share a spoiler because it will answer your question Mr. Avery. :)

    Show Spoiler
    The first thirteen episodes deal with Emily's plotting before the engagement party shown in episode one. The rest of season one will deal with the aftermath of the shooting of Daniel (from TVGuide.com)


    As for season two, we do not know if there will be one, but at this rate, it could involve Emily's drama at the Hamptons or somewhere else, possibly another deep plot twist in the journey to clear her father's name. Or another character could be the one seeking revenge and we could go on a whole other journey. If the viewers stay with the show (which they seem to be) then ABC will find a way to renew the show and have it brought back for as long as they can.

    I remember thinking that it would be a very limited show (given the premise) but that was before I started watching it.
  12. Jason73

    Jason73 Well-Known Member

    See, that's where I think they could go for another season--flip the script and have Victoria seeking revenge against Emily after all the damage she's done. I also think if the writers are careful, they could transition past the original premise into other storylines. I'm finding the characters very interesting and well connected. (I love the Lydia character--hope they can keep her around.) Revenge is always an aspect of a good soap, so they could take that theme in a lot of directions with the same characters--especially if they can keep Emily connected to the Grayson family maybe if . . .
    Show Spoiler
    Danny turns out not to be dead or not to be the body on the beach and Emily actually marries into the family.
    Also, I think the fallout that should occur as Emily's plan unravels should fuel quite a few episodes. She's used and hurt quite a few people.

    However they do it, I really hope the writers find some way of sustaining the show beyond the original premise of Emily attempting to avenge her father, because I am completely addicted to the show at the moment. I also have to agree with JROG that it is entirely refreshing that Revenge has none of that "whimsical, funny-funny attitude."

    E.J. Andre--I know Madeline Stowe from the movies "Stakeout" and "The Last of the Mohicans."
  13. Daniel Avery

    Daniel Avery Knots Landing Forum Moderator Staff Member

    But if they "go beyond the original plot" then it will be odd calling the show "Revenge," since that is the theme/title of the show. That is my main issue with the show (which, btw, I haven't watched, so I'm just speaking in generalities about what I've read in reviews). When creators make a series, there is a certain understanding that the premise should be sustainable into that five-season arena I mentioned earlier. Network dunderheads will want a successful show to go on and on (so they can make money) regardless of whether the show has creatively come to an end (that is, they've run out of ideas, or the plots have been tied up). Think Happy Days and Facts of Life, shows that eventually bore little resemblance to their original premises. The network might not give a crap what their formerly successful show turns into, but the fans will be disappointed, and this identity crisis will hurt the show's chances in DVD sales and cable syndication.

    The BBC knows the value of "limited run series," shows that have a beginning, middle and end. They are ultimately more satisfying viewing because they don't overstay their welcome (usually). Revenge might benefit from having a defined limit in its lifespan rather than being subject to the US networks' style of having a show run indefinitely. Two great years is certainly preferable to "two good years, one iffy year, and three really sucky years."
  14. Jason73

    Jason73 Well-Known Member

    I get what you are saying. I guess my point with going beyond the original plot, is that "Revenge" is a generic enough title and a common enough theme in soaps, that they could have other storylines and still stay close to the title theme. Revenge can take many forms and the way the show is being written many characters have lots of reasons to want revenge on various characters, for various reasons.

    However having said that, I would be completely satisfied with 2 juicy, twisty, soapy, fantastic seasons relating to the original premise and then have it be done. I do think there is enough material to get at least one more great season out of it.
  15. JROG

    JROG Well-Known Member

    LOL The two aren't mutually exclusive.

    But, oh yeah, RINGER sure is a soapy soap.

    She is truly wonderful on REVENGE, and I never thought I'd ever say that about her (initially, her casting had me thinking she would suck). Mainly because I didn't enjoy her on BROTHERS & SISTERS. Then again, what they did with her character on that show sucked. EVERWOOD, on the other hand, was a great show and I loved her in it. She's definitely Emmy material for this show; it fit her like a glove.

    Mine too. And it was really a surprise that it was so.

    Recently changed to
    Show Spoiler
    15 episodes, because they found that the story they had to tell would be better served if they gave it more time to breathe,
    which I happen to agree with.

    I had the same concerns about the show but it all changes when you watch it. You find yourself really not all that bothered because the stories, interrelationships and dynamics are so many, rich and complex that it seems like they'll need three years to resolve them all.

    But I do think, barring some shocking and creative way of continuing the show, it might be great to give it just 2/3 seasons and end it.

    There's also merit to the idea of having different REVENGE cycles, or even new cast completely (though that may be just a tad too much for a network show).

    DDD
  16. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    It could be one of Emily's inmate friends, and the two could correspond (keeping Emily in the loop). Or they could in fact start over from scratch with a whole new revenge story (maybe from a male perspective).

    Talking about shows with limited runs made me think of another limited run show called Reunion on FOX. It was a fabulous drama about six high schoolers, with each episode consisting of one year in their lives after high school. The show was centered around a murder plot between the six, and the mystery was slowly being solved within the show. People thought the show would end after first season; the friends stories would be told, the murder would be solved. People didn't know if there would be a second season. Turns out there wasn't, the show didn't rate well and was pulled midway, with no one finding out about the murder.

    But Reunion is golden for the rest of the season. :)
  17. JROG

    JROG Well-Known Member

    Yes; not sure if they will keep it interesting past this season.

    We shall see; after all, REVENGE has surprised me in every other aspect, so who knows?

    DDD
  18. Mason Carrington Colby

    Mason Carrington Colby Active Member

    I'm trying to find the interview, but this is exactly what the show's producer has saidjust recently. The producers realise that Emily's story won't go on forever so it won't always focus on Emily, but it will shift and evolve with other characters. The underlying theme of revenge will always exist though. Leave it with me and I'll try to find the interview I read...

    EDIT - Found this on TVFanatic...
  19. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    Awesome. I wonder if seasons will be tied together by a common character (ex., a relative of Ashley's, an old BFF of Daniel's sister - whose name I do not remember, another Hampton beauty...)
  20. Scarlett

    Scarlett Well-Known Member

    Last night's eppy was epically good. My one beef is that I do not know when the show is returning. I am assuming January.

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