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What do actors get paid for.

Discussion in 'DALLAS ON TNT DISCUSSION FORUM' started by Elizabeth Ewins, Apr 3, 2013.

  1. Elizabeth Ewins

    Elizabeth Ewins Well-Known Member

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    I am not knowledgable about what actors get paid for so I made this thread.I would assume that the actor get paid for each episode that they do. But do they get paid for reruns or for DVD sets of Dallas. Or do they not get paid but own part of the show and get residuals.
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    I would have thought it would be about what contracts they sign.
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    A standard contract in effect today means they get paid for the initial performance, as well as a fee each time it airs. That fee is determined by a scale, a larger fee for network broadcasts and a smaller one for cable and each subsequent airing means the fee is reduced. There is a cable and syndication runs also include a standard fee for each local airing, which is determined and scoped to market size or total audience reached, and most major actors who are leads and have decent management get much more than the standard fee. Any clip inclusion in another program, a whole new show, requires renegotiation with each actor or his or her estate. Standard contracts today include a DVD and streaming fee too. Old ones did not and actors get zip, zilch, nothing for them. That's why they are often not eager to promote DVD releases.

    The copyright holder gets paid too and any new program based on the original including revivals, features, other media incarnations, and merchandising is something they have to approve and negotiate a fee for. Owning the copyright is where the money really is and it's producers and studios that take the lion share of the profits. Not actors. Friends is a good example and managed to generate $400 million in syndication sales after being on the air for one year in addition to making NBC $4-8 million in pure profit each time a new episode aired. Did you ever wonder why they were so eager to super size episodes? Those extra three minutes of ad sales meant millions more for the network. In the end Friends will generate somewhere around $2 billion in gross revenue. The $1 million per episode each actor earned at the end of the run was chump change.

    I think Victoria Principal revealed one of the dirty tricks that studios use on unknown actors. She was an agent for a while and studied contracts. When they sign them to the series they include a clause that the studio gets a percentage of all outside income from endorsements and merchandising. They know the exposure and a hit means they will be in demand to push shampoo etc... Victoria famously crossed it off before signing to do Dallas and voided it. Her Jhirmack ad fees and Body/Beauty etc... Principal empire were all hers.
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    Actually Larry Hagman was instrumental in getting television actors the residual pay for repeats and DVD sales that are standard in most contracts today.
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    What role did he play and did it have anything to do with Jeanie reruns? Did he get boned on that?
  6. Larry Hagman and Caroll O'Connor BOTH had phenomenal deals for residuals while others were shafted.
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    Because Larry and Barbara Eden got shafted on Jeannie..Larry made sure he and his Dallas co-stars got residuals...and the above poster is correct..Carroll O'Connor, a freind of Larry's did the same with All in the Family.. they set the stage for making sure actors didnt get screwed out of money from re-runs,videos,etc..etc..

    now, thanks to them its a standard feature in a television actors contract.
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    It makes me wonder if Larrys family gets ongoing money from Larry's residuals.
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    I knew it was uncommon to get anything beyond the initial rerun fees and infamously Lucy got zilch for I Love Lucy and the entire cast of Gilligan reportedly sold off the very limited rerun fees right off the bat. Though it has since been revealed Dawn Wells contract was different from the others and she made millions. Her husband was an agent and crafted her an ownership percentage contract! I suspect Dawn didn't advertise the fact to keep the peace with the others when the many reunion opportunities came up.

    Jeanie is a good example of one that generated mega moola for many years after it went out of production and is a classic example of staple daytime TV that seems to have an endless rerun life.

    Dallas really didn't and was infamously a flop when it first entered syndication. None of the serialized prime time dramas did well and were big money losers for any station that bought them. I remember WOR took a bath with the first syndication attempt. Though slowly and over time all have generated a healthy, if not obscene, sum of money with cable reruns, DVD licensing (at least Dallas and Dynasty have) and second life licensing with Dallas 2.0.

    Larry struck me as pretty savvy and I recall his first public comments about the possibility of a revived Dallas was that he would only participate if the money was significant. Rightfully so too. You don't create one TVs most infamous characters and an icon of American pop culture and play it for a song and the goodwill of fans.
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    It all goes to the actor's estate once they pass. All licensing has to be done through the estate. I am not sure who controls Larry's estate but infamously it's the estate of Milton Green, who I suspect was a shyster, that Marilyn Monroe left her estate to and who controls and gets paid well for every Marilyn licensing.
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    Fascinating - show do you think Larry's Estate owns part of the copyright to Dallas and is still getting paid?
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    How did Lucy get zilch - I thought she owned the company with her husband that owned I Love Lucy?
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    Desilu was disolved and sold when Lucy and Desi divorced.

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