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Why the rush to bring people back?

Discussion in 'DALLAS NEW SERIES ON TNT' started by Pam BE, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. Pam BE

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    Why is there such a sense of urgency to bring characters back? I know there is the excitement element but I would hate them to bow down to fan pressure and bring characters back to appease the crowds.

    I hope we get a few seasons out of this and feel that the new characters need to bed in. I'm not watching this solely to root for the characters I once watched. I'm looking forward to finding out about Ann, Carmen and the mysterious Eric Barnes.
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    I think it's just part of the fact that we have so long to wait. We can't really talk about the new characters because most of us haven't seen them. If it turns out to be good I'm sure we'll get started on them soon enough.
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    I agree a lot with this in this case. The show has to have time to establish the new players and stars if it really wants to hold up with the new audience that needs to be attracted. It's true that as old fans we have favorites we want to see again, and that makes sense as fans, but I think we really have to settle for recurring appearances or even just one-time reprisals for now. All these demands that all these other people besides the big 3 come back and be full time regulars in the credits again are a bit much-one has to realize there is only so much money and only so much practical plot and character room on a show that is going to run just 10 episodes a season, unless the order increases down the road of course.

    On the original show it was usually maybe 3 important old people at a time at the most-Jock and Ellie and Digger, or Clayton and Ellie and Rebecca, Wendell, or McKay-depending on how one defines old I know but basically there can only be so much going on with people that aren't young and in a relationship with another young major character. If Bobby and Ann are already in the traditional parent roles, JR and Sue Ellen are going to already have to have very interesting plots to keep them fitting in the story. Trying to write on a regular basis for Ray, Lucy, etc with the new young characters filling the other old roles in the Dallas plot formula would be quite a stretch.
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    I agree with you here.

    I've said all along I would have been fine with J.R. and Sue Ellen being recurring characters and a handful of special guest appearances from Cliff,Lucy,Ray,etc.; I can understand the significance of the Bobby character as the patriarchial head of the Ewing family.
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    Yes, it just feels that over the years we have wanted a series so it can establish characters and decent storylines that can't be achieved in a 2 hour movie. Yet it feels there is an element of running before it can walk.

    I have seen this happen time and time again on UK soaps where characters are brought back needlessly and end up becoming pointless. That happened with Lucy back in 1989 when she returned. How disappointing was that? I would rather she came back with a point to her return, not just to hang around making snide remarks at JR.
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    There needs to be decent storylines for characters to come back.

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    Right, because what's the point of bringing back established characters in a continuation anyway? We should all be focused on the characters we've never heard of before! Why have Pam, Teresa, and and Pamela Rebecca when you can have their replacements in the form of Ann, Carmen, and Eric? IMO, they should do everything they can to show original fans how insignificant they are. Even though we're currently the only group of people familiar with Dallas, this is only about the all important new fans who will watch to see Jesse and Josh shirtless. Sounds like a winner to me! lol
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    That's not what I said Sid. I said why the need to do all this NOW. Why not have different people. Golly, even my life is filled with new people than it was 25 years ago, that's normal, it's life, it's fluid. People come and go, a family changes. That's what was so wrong with the original, they were stuck because it wasn't fluid enough and that was the dynamic they set. If Pamela Rebecca isn't Rebecca Sutter, then why can't she appear in season two? Why can't Pam return in season three? Whats wrong with new characters, new dynamics. My god the show was crying out for change back in 91, it was dreadful.

    I don't understand this black and white view, there seems to be no shades of grey. Let's just exhaust every possibility at the start, instead play things out gradually with new characters and allow them to breath and bring in old characters as it develops.
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    Part of the problem is....Dallas in its most dreadful years...became nothing but 3 main cast regulars and a bunch of newbies who were designed to fill the roles of missing regulars....and people don't want that to happen again but sadly, we see it happening. Of course there's going to be new actors playing the children but there was no need to replace the old characters.

    What was the point of doing a Dallas continuation without utilizing Lucas, Margaret and Pamela Rebecca along with Christopher and John Ross? Also, having a continuation with Bobby married to an unknown wife whom he' s supposedly madly in love with...is akin to bringing in Vanessa Beaumont and suddenly the viewers are supposed to believe that Sue Ellen was JR's 2nd choice....it spoiled the legacy of old Dallas that everybody loved and angered fans who turned out in droves. If people have the opportunity to express their concerns, why not express those concerns here on the forum that essentially created this reboot in the first place?
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    Yes. :cheers:

    Besides John Ross, Christopher and their girlfriends I could care less about the new characters. If everyone is going to be totally new why even call it Dallas? If you want a show with new characters watch a new show, but don't undermine the history of the original Dallas.

    For this show to be good they need to do two things:

    1. Focus on the John Ross/Christopher feud and their characters in general. They need to be the focus of the show.

    2. When you show older characters, have them be the Dallas characters we know and love. Why did almost everyone hate the late seasons? Because the characters they grew to love were gone and were thrown in with replacements we were supposed to accept.
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    Because they have made it as simple as possible and set the dynamic up, then all those things can come in. I feel all those things should happen, but they don't need to all happen in the first 10 episodes when there is potentially so much more.

    I don't have an issue with negative views but I feel those views should be fair and take other things into consideration. Just because people don't like the vegetables on the plate, that doesn't mean the steak sucks or to use another idiom 'don't throw the baby out with the bath water' - don't eliminate the good and the potential of the series without waiting to see what happens.

    We also talk about the big three, but Sue Ellen was axed from the show. This big three thing has emerged in recent years as our knowledge of the dynamics are been raised. In the dynamic of this series it makes sense that JR and Sue Ellen, plus Bobby are around, being the parents of the feuding younger generation.

    Aside from Lucy, JR, Donna, Cliff and Sue Ellen the rest of the characters were pretty bland or we had seen their story play out. I enjoyed Ray at the time but his character flaws were regurgitated one too many times, in some ways like Lucy. I think all she did for a big part was go on about her daddy, the one she never saw. There was never any real development with any of these characters, no pivotal moments of change.

    The only character I felt empathy for at the end was Bobby because his character had become bitter and disillusioned by loosing Pam, April and seeing the family fragment. Similar to how I felt about Karen in Knots Landing when the series was in it's final season.

    You know Bobby was dull and only became interesting at the end. But Cynthia saw something in Patrick that never came across on screen and wants to portray that. Interesting that I read the interview with David Paulsen recently that James did and he was talking about getting rid of Emma Samms as Fallon but then he met the actress and she was a delight, funny, intelligent, earthy. Why is Fallon so dull when Emma is so vibrant and interesting? So he kept her and played the character to those aspects of her personality.

    I think that really showed on screen in Dynastys final season, where Fallon came to life. So I hope that the same can be said of Bobby.
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    That's exactly why it doesn't make sense to leave Pam out of the equation (she's Christopher's mother and there's so much potential to explore)...she was the only character left with unfinished business too....Patrick has essentially said that Bobby and Ann will always be married....so where the hell is the drama and suspense in that??? We already know how their story plays out according to Patrick so why do we need to even watch it? That was such a dumb thing to say and makes them such a dull couple...hello....that's why the writers split Bobby and Pam up...because they were happy and predictable.

    That's funny because I completely lost empathy with the Bobby character after he gave up on the love of his life so easily...and they never showed the hurt he felt from losing Pam...it became as though she never existed...and it was such a waste for potential dramatic scenes for Patrick. Instead, we got the whole "Bobby the hero" crap where he had to save the helpless women in his life....all because it's what Patrick wanted.

    What came across on screen and what made Bobby/Pam such an iconic couple...was Patrick's amazing screen chemistry with Victoria. They tried recreating that with many other actresses as though it was something that can simply be recreated...and it failed miserably.

    Plus, let's face the sad reality...even young actors can die suddenly...I don't really want to think about it...but playing the, "let's wait 'til the third season to bring Pam back"....is far too risky in a finicky business like show business even if you assume the actors are going to be around forever (with so many channels to switch to)...but as much as we'd love them to...they're not going to live forever.
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    An adult John Ross and Christopher are still technically "new" in the sense that we never got to see them as adults, so that's a new dynamic. Pamela Rebecca, who we only saw a couple times in the original series, would also have been a fresh next generation character. In fact, that goes back to my post about why Rebecca Sutter ever needed to be created in the first place. Perhaps it would be easier to accept if she had a different name. It's like Cidre decided to nix the idea of having two non-blood related cousins marry, but still liked the name "Rebecca."

    I also don't mind Bobby being remarried to Ann after all this time, but again, do they have to use a similar name to Pam? I remember people practically rolling their eyes at Laurie for making that connection, but my mom had the same reaction when I told her the name of Bobby's new wife. Patrick even said he refers to her as "his Annie," and he also referred to Pam as "Pammy." If they're going to add "new" characters, can't they at least come up with more distinctive names? Maybe Sue Ellen should get a third husband named either John Blockgood or KR Louing.

    I don't have a problem with Carmen and Elena so much because they seem like more than just composites of past characters. I would have preferred they came to Southfork in 1991, as that would have explained why we never saw or heard of them before. However, I'm starting to come around on that somewhat. Cidre placed them within the last 4 years of the original show when very little made sense anyway, so that helps.

    I believe I have a more moderate view. I don't want every possibility exhausted at the start, and I believe there is room to bring back characters over the course of subsequent seasons. However, I also don't want to tune into an entirely new cast either. Instead of Rebecca and Tom Sutter, they should have brought back Pamela Rebecca and Bobby's son Lucas. Unlike the Sutters, they actually have ties to original series characters and are more in-line with the "next generation" theme this show is supposedly espousing.
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    I don't like the term the big 3. If you want to call JR the star of the show, I'm okay with that. But don't tell me that Sue Ellen and Bobby were more important characters than Pam, Cliff, Donna, Lucy, Jock, and Miss Ellie. Just because they want to be up and center around everything Dallas related doesn't make their characters any more important to the original show than the other main characters.
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    Exactly right. I was a Bobby and Pam fan, but their relationship needed a shake up. From the time Cliff was accused of murdering Julie Grey to the day they divorced, they spent a lot of time bickering. Either Bobby wasn't emotionally available for Pam, or Pam wasn't emotionally available for Bobby. It took time apart and seeing other people for them to evaluate their feelings for each other. And even when they got back together, it wasn't a bed of roses. Jenna being pregnant with Bobby's baby managed to rock their last year together.

    I haven't even seen Ann yet, and I'm already thinking she and Bobby and going to be so boring together. Brenda and Patrick talk about each other like they're the greatest thing since sliced bread, and I don't think that will work well dramatically. I just hope they're not as sickeningly saccharine as Bobby and April often were.

    Yep. He basically became a chest thumping gigolo. Katzman obviously expected the audience to be as dumb as Bobby, and accept her letter at face value. Cidre appears to be taking a page out of Katzman's book in that regard, hence her saying she ran off and married her surgeon (even though Pam admitted she told Cliff that so he wouldn't try to bring her back to Dallas). It's funny how some people say that original fans like us shouldn't be "appeased," even though both past and present producers have furthered an agenda that doesn't feel like the Dallas I knew and loved.

    For what it's worth, Patrick and Brenda look good together to me, and I can buy them as a couple. I could never say that about Bobby and the other women he was with after Pam. Bobby especially lacked chemistry with April, and it never made sense to me for them to marry. I might be able to accept Bobby with Ann, but not if they're going to be this dull couple that can make it through anything. As with other Dallas couples, I want them to experience turbulence and hard times in their relationship. Even the couples you're supposed to root for need dramatic tension in their lives, otherwise there's no point in watching.
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    Nobody can be as bad as Bobby and April. Although Ray and Jenna came sooo close. To even imagine a couple that is worse than those two, well lets just say that the chemistry has to be less than zero. And they will probably sit around and talk about how much they love each other and how perfect they are, which are the two things that show how a couple is not working.
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    I really think mentioning the name Annie is nitpicking, I think it takes it to a whole new level. Does it really matter? Even if they chose a name that rhymed with Pammy (Can't imagine they did) why would it matter? How does that really impact anything? We all know its not Pam, why not call her Sam, Sammy, Tammy. I really don't think it matters. Lucy's middle name was Ann. Is it really worthy of scrutiny?

    I always believe that its worth fighting the battles we can win and those things just undermine other arguments which are valid.
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    The chemistry between Brenda and Patrick is there, sorry if people don't like that idea, but it really is. This woman loves Bobby deeply and thats very apparent from the first episode. Brenda is really good in the role and full of energy. It's nothing like April & Bobby. April was a sap, almost like a sulky teenager.
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    That was only a small part of what I said, so how odd of you to zero in only on that.

    It's not a question of whether or not the character is Pam. Intentional or not, Bobby has a new wife with a name that is similar to his first wife's. And if that weren't enough, he's even given her a similar pet name. Then you have Christopher marrying some woman named Rebecca after having previously dated Pamela Rebecca. So unless I pretend that isn't weird or noticable, that means I'm nitpicking?

    Well then, I can't wait until we get to see Sue Ellen's new husband KR, as well as JR's new wife Dru Ella!
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    I'm currently watching season 4 (DVD) of the original series. I wonder how the strong and energetic "Annie" would feel about her beloved Bobby if she met him then. He basically cast Pam aside while he was running Ewing Oil after JR was shot. I'm now on the episodes where he's running for the senate, and instead of listening to Pam's advice, he has her fetching coffee for him and his advisers.

    Maybe she would have loved the Bobby that would have divorced her over a letter her sister wrote, or believed she was mentally capable of writing a letter stating she wanted a divorce after being involved in a traumatic car accident. Of course, there's also the Bobby that slept with any woman that looked at him after that, and the Bobby that refused money from April during the tanker collision storyline because of his pride. April may have been a sap, but she was certainly in good company with the immature Bobby.

    Oh yeah, and how could I forget the Bobby that was completely consumed with Ewing Oil during the battle over Jock's will? Pam didn't matter to him, winning did. Remember when he planted cocaine in George Hicks' home so he could blackmail him? Bobby was a smug, self-righteous hypocrite, and it's hard to imagine him being any different today. If Ann is truly stronger than Bobby's previous wives like you say she is, why would she be interested in Bobby in the first place? I would think she would tire of his bs very quickly.

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