Good post Jimmy! I especially like the quotes from philosophers. I love a post with intellectual substance. I have to congratulate on making a case for who is the hero of Dallas: Of everyone who thinks that JR was a villain, you're the only one so far who I have seen be able to answer the question who then, is the hero of Dallas? I think we agree more than we disagree. We agree that while JR had charm, wit and other likable characteristics and redeeming qualities such as love and respect for his parents and remaining calm in high-pressure situations, JR also did many things which cannot be justified. As for how cutthroat one has to become to not just survive but flourish in the oil industry Dallas depicts, Id' say pretty damn cutthroat. That's the way it appeared to me. It appeared that if a man didn't become very hard and aggressive, he wouldn't stand a chance against his competitors who had. I never bought into the notion that Bobby's personality and his values changed during the contest, and that he became a worse man. I think he became what he had to become and i don't see how anyone can blame him for becoming what he had to become. He adapted. It's a lot like Darwin's theory of evolution; it's survival of the fittest. It's not survive of the nicest or the most fair. Those who are not the fittest become extinct. You can hardly fault one for not wanting to become extinct. When Bobby was at home he looked like the same old Bobby to me. I always saw Bobby treat his wife and son extremely well. Pam remarried him - so there must be something to that. Do you remember seeing evidence of Bobby treating Pam and Christopher poorly during the time when he was what some called "the new Bobby"? I just never saw "a new Bobby" other than what I've already described pertaining to what he did professionally. I never saw him act any differently in his personal life. Aside from the way he had to be in his professional life, I thought "the new Bobby" was a myth. Again, you backed up that argument you were defending far better than I've seen anyone else do it. We don't have to change each other's minds. The debate is an end in itself - the exchange of ideas and the challenge of making the best possible case for one's argument is something I find very enjoyable. I know it's not for everyone. I've seen, and I'm talking abut the internet in general - not this forum necessarily - that not everyone has the constitution for a debate. So many times I've seen people become so shaken, they become insecure and afraid they're losing the argument and they get desperate enough that they initiate the use of personal attacks. REALITY CHECK: We're using screen names, at least most of us are, so even if I, or Jimmy or someone else one day makes a silly mistake while debating, who cares, especially when we're using these screen names that give us anonymity? As human beings, we are all very fallible. Only God is not fallible. So when I do something I realize was not my best effort, that's a very human thing to do. The fun is in trying to do your best and enjoying the exchange of ideas! If someone were to somehow "prove" my favorite Dallas character is a worse person than I thought, it wouldn't change my life by one iota. I hope I never become so emotionally invested in a fictional character that I just cannot stand to face the realization that he's not or she's not what I thought. The day that ever happens to me, is the day I quit watching Dallas and anything similar to it. They're fictional characters! They don't exist! They never did exist. They're the product of someone's imagination and at the push of a pen, your favorite character could have been changed into a spoiled, petulant, little brat you absolutely cannot stand. That's all it would have ever taken. The push of a pen. Keep that in mind.