1. Check Out Our Musical Secret Santa

    Coming to Soap Chat this Christmas

    Click here for more details

    Dismiss Notice

The Yellow Rose Dirt, Cattle & Cybill Shepherd!

Discussion in 'Sundry Prime Time Soaps' started by Willie Oleson, Jun 11, 2017.

  1. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson drilling for soap

    Message Count:
    8,186
    Trophy Points:
    8,250
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    somewherie on the prairie
    Ratings:
    +15,415
    Member Since:
    April 2002
    It seems we're not at Southfork anymore, because this is a different version of Texas, and also a different kind of community.
    upload_2017-6-11_22-21-11.png

    I've only watched the first episode so I had to focus on all these new characters and how they are connected as family, friends and other relationships.

    My first favourite scene was the one between Chance (Sam Elliott) and Grace (Susan Anspach).
    Chance is not a man of many words, and yet this rather brief exchange created some good drama without being melodramatic.

    Colleen Champion is the young widow of the patriarch, and apparently it's perfectly acceptable for her to kiss every man she wants without being branded as a tramp.
    upload_2017-6-11_22-52-54.png
    And she doesn't look like a tramp either.

    Old Champion won the Yellow Rose estate in a bet, and previous owner Jeb Hollister is not a happy camper.
    Somehow, the story about how Gioberti won Agretti's Falcon Crest in a poker game doesn't seem so silly anymore.
    upload_2017-6-11_23-8-27.png
    My second favourite scene - very promising indeed!

    I have no problem with standard "Hollywood" or British English (I can't remember the last time I watched a movie or series with subtitles on, and I even find those subtitles a little distracting now) but this Cowboy-English proves to be quite a challenge to me.

    After being wrongfully accused, Chance decides to leave the ranch, but Roy Champion asks him to stay.
    upload_2017-6-11_23-19-53.png
    I think they're half-brothers...
     
    • Like Like x 5
  2. Canon

    Canon Soap Chat Fan

    Message Count:
    363
    Trophy Points:
    1,881
    Location:
    Ireland
    Ratings:
    +524
    Member Since:
    Apr 8, 2004
    You're in for a treat Willie, The Yellow Rose is a real gem. The relationship between the characters is really endearing without being dull or too sweet. I loved it.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  3. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson drilling for soap

    Message Count:
    8,186
    Trophy Points:
    8,250
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    somewherie on the prairie
    Ratings:
    +15,415
    Member Since:
    April 2002
    I must say that I've never seen anything like this before, at least not as an 80s prime time serial.
    Of course there are other western dramas like Big Valley, How The West Was Won and Lonesome Dove, but these stories took place in the 1800s or early 1900s.
    THE YELLOW ROSE has elements of soap i.e. the way it's structured over 22 episodes, although I wouldn't say that every story about family or romance is a soap by definition.
    The first 5 episodes was definitely a potpourri of genres: western, copshow and drama. In a way, it's just as unique as, say, Twin Peaks.

    The action scenes look spectacular (certainly for an 80s tv show), at the same time they're just as unbelievable as any 70s or 80s cop-duo show.
    2 men are fast and strong enough to take down 6 other men, 500 bullets from a machine gun and no-one gets shot, not even something as big as a horse.
    But it's not unusual that the only casualties are those that serve the progress of the story, in this case Indian chief Stronghart.

    The scenery is breathtaking, and I enjoy watching this particular area of America, especially the town.
    upload_2017-6-14_16-44-1.png
    It's exactly how I'd envisage a Texas shopping centre: big and luxurious, but without the Beverly Hills glamour. The wood panelling captures the country & western style.

    Like I said in my first post, it's a very different kind of soap-community, which allows the story to create some very interesting and alternative characters and relationships.
    upload_2017-6-14_16-54-55.png
    Lord knows why these lean and handsome cowboys are still single!

    TYR's first display of glamour (auction scene):
    upload_2017-6-14_16-58-20.png
    Cybill Shepherd occasionally portrays the role of Colleen with a dash of humour and fearlessness, which reminds me of her role in MOONLIGHTING.

    And then there's a surprisingly shocking scene like this, which gives me the idea of DALLAS meets BREAKING BAD.
    upload_2017-6-14_17-5-31.png

    Inside the ranch:
    upload_2017-6-14_17-11-57.png
    The Champions discuss the oil-drilling lease and the future of The Yellow Rose. Roy says that, if it's only about land and oil, it means nothing to him.

    It means everything to the Hollisters, but they have their own fair share of family issues.
    upload_2017-6-14_17-16-48.png
    Jeb's son Lenny operates as his father's henchman, but he gets carried away by his mission to help his father, not to mention his drug business on the side.
    Apparently, Jeb wants to defeat the Champions because he's better and smarter, not because of illegal practices. I think that makes him more interesting as a villain.

    Since the feud stems from the time before the Champion sons were born, I can imagine that Roy and Quisto didn't have much to do with the Hollisters - at least not before this story (show) began.
    But Jeb is a prominent figure in town - it was even mentioned that he owns the town and the judges - so I'm a little surprised that they don't know that Hollister has a daughter, Juliette, played by the gorgeous Deborah Shelton.
    upload_2017-6-14_17-50-40.png
    The evil Sanchez has been caught, but I don't know what's going to happen to Lenny. And where are The Mothers?

    I'm glad I've bought this DVD, at the lowest price I had seen so far ($22.89), and the picture quality is awesome, it's hard to imagine it's from 1983.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  4. Snarky's Ghost

    Snarky's Ghost Soap Chat Oracle

    Message Count:
    4,391
    Trophy Points:
    5,636
    Location:
    Haunting that cozy cellar under Falcon Crest
    Ratings:
    +5,736
    Member Since:
    September 2000
    I saw very little of it, but I happen to suspect -- for several reasons -- that Leonard Katzman was watching this show. There are things about it that I would have like to have seen DALLAS adopt in its later seasons. And it didn't -- at least not the things it could have benefited from.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson drilling for soap

    Message Count:
    8,186
    Trophy Points:
    8,250
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    somewherie on the prairie
    Ratings:
    +15,415
    Member Since:
    April 2002
    The next adventure (episodes 6 to 8) is about selling the cattle, and they have to deliver on time in order to fulfill the contract.
    They need the money to pay back the loan (I'm not sure what kind of loan) - in other words: the future of The Yellow Rose is at stake.
    Normally this wouldn't be a very challenging operation if it wasn't for the fact that Jeb Hollister has leased all the trucks.

    This is Hollister's ranch, would love to have a look inside.
    upload_2017-6-16_0-23-1.png :)

    They find other (older) trucks, but somebody tampers with the brakes, therefore Cybill Shepherd is trapped in a speeding truck loaded with cattle!
    Thankfully, Chance manages to stop them.
    upload_2017-6-16_0-30-58.png
    It must have cost a fortune to produce this show.

    Without transport, the only other option is to herd the cattle over land, and they're all very excited about this old-fashioned adventure, especially the two older hillbilly cowboys, Luther and Hoyt.
    I'm not a fervent supporter of comedy in soap, but they are very charming, and they are part of the family and usually involved with all the action.
    Luther: "Ain't you got no symphony?"
    Hoyt: "It's sympathy!"
    I like those scenes when Hoyt reads his trashy novel out loud, eventhough he insists that it's literature.

    Anyway, here they could go, accompanied by the local TV station.
    upload_2017-6-16_0-56-57.png
    Sort of a reality show in a soap, before reality shows existed.

    Hollister's quest to sabotage the cattle transport proves to be relentless, and he decides to blow up a mountain ridge (well, actually it's his ridge) to see if it's worth drilling for oil (at least that's how I understood it).
    The real reason, of course, is to block the path that Champion needs for his cattle. The fact that it also may endanger Roy Champion and his crew doesn't seem to bother him at all. Now that's what I call an old-skool villain.
    What he doesn't know is that his daughter Juliette has joined the crew because she wants to do an article in the newspaper.
    upload_2017-6-16_1-18-56.png
    Boom-boom-boom!
    It all looks very spectacular and cliffhanger-ish when DALLAS' future Valentine Girl is about to get crushed by huge pieces of rock!
    upload_2017-6-16_1-28-48.png
    Luckily, no-one's seriously hurt, and Chance - resourceful as ever - finds an old silver mine pass that leads to the other side of the mountain.
    I thought that Hollister's last stunt, poisoning the lake that was meant to quench the thirst of the cattle, was one stunt too much.
    And by that I mean that it started to look like Tom Cat's neverending tricks to catch Jerry Mouse.
    Nevertheless, it was Juliette who discovered his scheme, and he tells his daughter that "she's made her choice".
    (Lenny is only briefly mentioned, I thought Hollister would move heaven and earth to get his son back).

    Roy & Juliette.
    upload_2017-6-16_1-48-2.png
    They're looking great as a couple (I don't know if it's going to happen).

    Chance is acknowledged as Wade Champion's son without too much pooha (such a contrast with the other soaps) but the emotions go much deeper than they initially appeared, and at the end of this adventure there's a big showdown between the half-brothers.
    It's Colleen who sees what it's really all about: they resent eachother for their father's mistakes.
    upload_2017-6-16_1-59-59.png
    It's all very epic, and speaking of half-brothers, they also mentioned Quisto's mother, which means she's not Roy's mother.
    Maybe this was already mentioned in the first episode but I guess it was too much information to process.
    Quisto, the half-Mexican (which explains why he was the only one who crossed himself during Chief Stronghart's funeral) is far more romantic and melancholic than his brothers.
    upload_2017-6-16_2-14-13.png
    However, Hollister has already tried to tempt him with an oil deal, and somehow I think there's going to be a follow-up to that story.
    More family saga development when Quisto discovers that Jeb's sister, Rose Hollister, could be Chance's mother. Oh my!
     
    • Like Like x 2
  6. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson drilling for soap

    Message Count:
    8,186
    Trophy Points:
    8,250
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    somewherie on the prairie
    Ratings:
    +15,415
    Member Since:
    April 2002
    Episodes 9 to 12.
    I just can't believe how fantastic this series is. Every episode looks like a mini-movie.

    Jeb is in the hospital after being shot by the grandson of an aggrieved farmer. Since there's no guarantee that Jeb is going to survive the operation, his personal assistant Caryn Cabrera decides to inform his sister, Rose Hollister.
    Well, nothing strange about that, except that it looks as if she's luring Rose to come back.
    upload_2017-6-19_3-57-0.png
    "If Juliette and Roy Champion got together they could control the Crown H and the Yellow Rose, when it's your son who should be inheriting all of it".
    Apparently, she hates Hollister as much as Rose does. So much for a loyal assistant!

    Not that I can see Chance being manipulated by anyone.
    upload_2017-6-19_4-8-21.png
    And Colleen finds it hard to accept that Chance doesn't want to commit himself to any kind of special relationship.

    After Hollister has been released from the hospital, he sends Juliette to the Yellow Rose with the proposal to finance the oil exploitation on Champion's land.
    The Champions are struggling financially and the bank has declined an extension on the loan, so it's definitely worth considering.
    But whatever they decide, Hollister thinks it's going to be a win-win situation.
    If Roy accepts, Jeb will have his foot back in the door at the Yellow Rose, and if Roy refuses his "peace offering" it will undermine Roy and Juliette's romance.
    And more importantly, in case there's a disagreement, it could drive a wedge between the members of the Champion clan.

    For a moment it looks that's exactly what's going to happen.
    upload_2017-6-19_4-42-56.png
    Voting rounds are always so exciting. Thanks to Luther and Hoyt they decide to refuse Hollister's proposal to drill for oil.
    There's no fight or arguments afterwards, they all accept the outcome of the voting, and it's this kind of non-reaction that underlines the strong bond between these people.
    upload_2017-6-19_4-50-35.png

    However, Roy's ex-wife (Whit's mother) Marlene (played by David Soul's ex-wife Karen Carlson) thinks that her son is being robbed of a fortune.
    And since they're sitting on oilfields worth hundreds of millions of dollars, she does have a point.
    She threatens to sue Roy for 35 million dollars, and this resulst in a heavy argument between father and son.
    upload_2017-6-19_5-7-0.png
    "She came back from Europe as a pregnant slut!" / "She's still your mother!"
    Whit is fed up with his undefined position at the Yellow Rose and being in the middle of the two ex-spouses.
    I thought this was brewing for quite some time, but the Champion men end the fight the best way they can: a punch in the face!

    In the meantime, another mother has arrived in town (I still don't know which town!)
    upload_2017-6-19_5-21-58.png
    But she's not sure if she can trust Caryn Cabrera.

    And maybe she shouldn't, because Caryn has another secret conversation with yet another person - Roy Champion, of all people!
    upload_2017-6-19_5-26-52.png
    They had a one-night stand many years ago but Roy hadn't recognized her. Caryn tells him that "a woman never forgets her first man".

    The Yellow Rose's rural landscape may have been secured (for now), but we're definitely drilling for soap here!
     
    • Like Like x 3
  7. Canon

    Canon Soap Chat Fan

    Message Count:
    363
    Trophy Points:
    1,881
    Location:
    Ireland
    Ratings:
    +524
    Member Since:
    Apr 8, 2004

    "We believe in you Roy, we vote with you."

    TYR6.jpg TYR7.jpg TYR8.jpg TYR9.jpg TYR10.jpg TYR11.jpg


    Yes. This is probably my favourite scene of the series. It's only Episode 11 and you're being moved by these characters simply having a shareholders vote. It was never this emotional on Dallas.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  8. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson drilling for soap

    Message Count:
    8,186
    Trophy Points:
    8,250
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    somewherie on the prairie
    Ratings:
    +15,415
    Member Since:
    April 2002
    Episodes 13 to 17 are mostly stand-alone episodes, with the "Yellow Rose" story running in the background.

    Marlene Champion goes through with the lawsuit against her ex-husband, but Caryn provides documents that Marlene's fiancé Rudy (also the father of her baby) has been working with Hollister.
    upload_2017-6-23_21-4-37.png
    Apparently it was his idea (or actually, Hollister's) to sue the Champions.
    It infuriates her, knowing that she's been manipulated all this time - and this was my favourite scene of that episode.
    After all, what's more soaptastic than smashing a mirror?
    upload_2017-6-23_21-15-1.png
    (hmm, maybe I could use this for the SoapLand battles?)
    She drops the lawsuit under the condition that Roy will find a way to drill for oil without Hollister's "help".
    This time Roy decides to give in, but of course at first it looks like it's going to be a financial disaster (or, as Colleen said it "a very expensive hole in the ground").
    upload_2017-6-23_21-42-2.png

    The non-Yellow Rose stories are all very different, mostly straightforward and there's always enough to enjoy.
    Chance helps a friend to escape from prison so he can visit his grandson, a Mexican woman is hunted by the border patrol because she had witnessed their weapon smuggling and little children are forced to steal by their evil foster mother.

    When the Champions visit the horse racing in Los Angeles, L.C. mysteriously disappears.
    upload_2017-6-23_22-1-49.png
    Roy expects a ransom demand, but it turns out that L.C. is held captive in an exclusive brothel for a pedophile clientele!
    Not the most common subject for a prime time soap.
    And of course it all happened in this house:
    upload_2017-6-23_22-15-59.png
    Probably 10 minutes after Krystle and Alexis had finished their second catfight scene.
    Like I said on the Dynasty forum, there's something very "dirty" about that house.

    My favourite story is "Running Free", about a horse-bandit, especially because the bandit is a horse.
    upload_2017-6-23_22-28-21.png

    Rose has information that proves that Hollister had hired someone to kill his father. This story seems to come out of nowhere and is not connected to anything that's been shown or mentioned before.
    Either way, Rose has already set the wheels in motion, and Hollister wants her dead.
    Ironically, this gives her the opportunity to spend some time with her son, but this time Chance can't stop the bullets.
    upload_2017-6-24_0-0-5.png
    "Hang in there, momma. I'm taking you home".
    "You don't know how long I've waited to hear you say that. You made my day, kid".

    Normally I'd say there's something absurd and false about this scene, but one of the strengths of "The Yellow Rose" is the honest and to the point dialogue, and the very idea that someone would call Chance "kid" is heartrending.

    The feud between Champion and Hollister has reached boiling point, and Jeb is arrested for murder.
    upload_2017-6-23_23-33-17.png

    5 more episodes to go, and the titles on the disc reveal absolutely nothing!
     
    • Like Like x 2
  9. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson drilling for soap

    Message Count:
    8,186
    Trophy Points:
    8,250
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    somewherie on the prairie
    Ratings:
    +15,415
    Member Since:
    April 2002
    Episode 18 introduces the (to me) previously unknown fourth Champion son, Trey, a rodeo legend with a gambling problem.
    upload_2017-6-25_2-37-29.png
    He owns the casino bosses a lot of money, and he wants to use his share of The Yellow Rose to pay off his debts.
    Whit is very taken by his uncle's fame and his flashy car and lifestyle, and decides to become a hot shot rodeo champion himself.
    upload_2017-6-25_2-50-23.png
    Of course, being a true Champion, he wins his very first contest. The crowd is cheering, popcorn's flying.
    He's bitterly disappointed when he finds out that his uncle's joie de vivre is just a façade, but he tells Trey that it won't stop him pursuing a career in the rodeo circuit, and maybe one day they'll compete against each other.
    Despite (or because) the addition of a new family member, I thought this episode was a bit shallow.
    Maybe it would have worked better in two or three parts, then I could fully "accept" Trey as Wade Champion's son.
    For just one episode I would have preferred him to be a nephew, from mother's side.

    Episode 19 is about the exploitation of illegal Mexican immigrants, and serves as a plotline for Quisto to stand up for his people.
    upload_2017-6-25_3-26-8.png
    His identity crisis in this scene seems a bit heavy-handed, but I figured it had to be done. After all, what's the point of creating a half-Mexican character and then not use it in the story?
    The camp where the immigrants live and work is part of the company owned by Lila Deveraux who happens to be Roy's ex-lover.
    upload_2017-6-25_3-40-38.png
    It's nice to see them dress up every now and then.

    Episode 20 is my favourite because it ticks all the boxes of land, oil and bad blood.
    One of the neighbours, Jesse Yates, still holds a grudge against the late Wade Champion. Yates had sold a lot of his land to Wade in order to finance his unsuccessful oil drilling operations.
    He still got one producing oil well, but in fact it's completely dry.
    upload_2017-6-25_4-13-56.png
    His sons steal oil from indepedent oil companies like the Yellow Rose and sell it to a refinery, thus creating the illusion that their father is still "in the oil business".
    When ranchhand Luther Dillard catches their oil theft he gets shot by one of Yates' sons (Earl or Floyd, I forgot which one).
    Et cetera, et cetera.
    The background story (the tragedy of the Yates family, Luther and Hoyt's friendship) and current events (the theft, attempted murder and the oil business) flow very well together and it ends with the usual funny bickering between the two old cowboys.
    upload_2017-6-25_4-51-56.png
     
    • Like Like x 2
  10. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson drilling for soap

    Message Count:
    8,186
    Trophy Points:
    8,250
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    somewherie on the prairie
    Ratings:
    +15,415
    Member Since:
    April 2002
    I just watched the last two episodes.

    Episode 21 is the story about an old Mexican treasure and in episode 22 Chance MacKenzie (like Allison was always Allison MacKenzie) faces an old enemy from prison.
    upload_2017-6-26_1-54-0.png
    Murder, kidnapping and lots of fistfights.
    The bad guy dies and the Champions thank the Lord that they are such a close family.
    upload_2017-6-26_1-58-17.png


    I must say this series is a real curiosity, a potpourri of genres. For an early 80s show it looks remarkably timeless, and for a prime time series it could be very brutal sometimes.
    It was never as soapy as the other shows, but the first half of the series focussed on the feud between two families, I guess that's what gave it the "soap" tag.
    Had there been a second season, continuing the format of the stand-alone adventures, then maybe I would have been a little less enthusiastic about it, but I like the characters and every episode looks like a labour of love, so I probably would have watched it anyway.
    Also, I have no idea what the next main storyline could have/should have been. Maybe more about the oil business and a crisis within the family (brother against brother) but I'm not sure if a full-on-Dallas style would work for the Champions.

    upload_2017-6-26_2-22-5.png


    Next stop: Dallas!
    But since the DVDs haven't arrived yet, I'm going to take a mini-break from the soaps and watch some mini-series instead.
    There's a great unedited copy of CHIEFS on YouTube.
    upload_2017-6-26_2-46-37.png
     
    • Like Like x 2
  11. Chris2

    Chris2 Soap Chat Active Member

    Message Count:
    102
    Trophy Points:
    174
    Location:
    United States
    Ratings:
    +149
    I watched the show in first run and bought the DVDs. First 11 episodes are superior. The second half of the series, when NBC ordered the producers to de-serialize it, is far inferior.

    I liked the cast for the most part, but I could have done without Roy's callow son, Whit. And a little of the sanctimonious Quisto went a long way. But Elliott, Shepherd, Soul, and the Ranch hands were marvelous. So was Karen Carlson as Roy's ex-wife. If it had gone to a second season, I wonder if we would have seen more of Trey (Greg Evian). He fit right in, and was a great character in his own right. IIRC, there was an unseen sister, too, who was away at college or something like that.
     
  12. Carrie Fairchild

    Carrie Fairchild Soap Chat Fan

    Message Count:
    499
    Trophy Points:
    480
    Location:
    Central Park West
    Ratings:
    +1,098
    Is the show available to stream online or have you been watching it on DVD?
     
  13. JROG

    JROG Soap Chat Well-Known Member

    Message Count:
    715
    Trophy Points:
    4,186
    Location:
    Lotus Point
    Ratings:
    +1,731
    Member Since:
    August 05, 2005
    Oh, wow, the first episode of THE YELLOW ROSE was phenomenal. The show arrived fully formed, the equivalent of DALLAS debuting with the quality of Season 6. They clearly knew exactly what they were doing. What a fantastic cast. Seemed really authentic as a ranch. I did not see it coming that Chance is also a Champion. I fell in love with Roy as soon as he pulled his son in for a touching embrace; no silly faux-masculinity here. Supposedly so much like DALLAS but the comparison is surface-only. These people seem to like each other and there is diversity in the cast! They also have charming lines like, "he never stopped spreading his seed around."

    And the men are just so... manly.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson drilling for soap

    Message Count:
    8,186
    Trophy Points:
    8,250
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    somewherie on the prairie
    Ratings:
    +15,415
    Member Since:
    April 2002
    upload_2018-5-4_21-35-49.png


    I didn't know that Dex Dexter also grew up on the Yellow Rose.
    upload_2018-5-4_21-36-49.png
    upload_2018-5-4_21-37-7.png
     
    • Winner Winner x 1

Share This Page