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Do you consider the character of Cliff dead.........

Discussion in 'Dallas - The Original Series' started by TJames03, May 6, 2019.

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Do you consider Cliff dead now that KK is??

  1. Yes.

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  2. No.

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  1. TJames03

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    .........in the Dallas universe now that KK has passed away?

    Did Cliff die in the Mexican jail?
     
  2. Mistletoe Stevens

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    Yes, in the same way as JR Ewing, Miss Ellie, Punk Anderson, and Carter McKay being dead. I can't imagine anyone playing these characters besides the actors who played them originally. I do have a hard time with the TNT Dallas Cliff and wish his fate was kinder.
     
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  3. Kenny Coyote

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    I can't imagine anyone else playing Cliff either, so I consider Cliff dead. I didn't like TNT Dallas, but it's something Ken Kercheval chose to participate in and put his time and effort into doing. So out of respect for his work then I guess Cliff did die in prison.
     
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  4. JR Ewing Fan

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    I don't even remember. It's had to have been over a decade though.
    No because I don't accept him being in jail.
     
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    Yeah, I do. I can't say for sure why, I suppose because like @Michelle Stevens I can't picture any other actor in the role.
     
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    By that do you mean you don't consider TNT Dallas to be a legitimate continuation of the Dallas story?
     
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    No. I don't consider off screen events to be the final say. Of course, where Dallas is concerned, what happens on screen is not necessarily binding either,
     
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    I got some FF in my head showcasing Cliff's mortal exit from the Dallas universe....
     
  9. Kenny Coyote

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    Off screen events referring to Ken Kercheval passing away? So you'd be open to the idea of a recast? It's an interesting idea. I don't usually like recasts just on the principle of it, but if a recast would lead to another Dallas continuation and this time one that is accurate as to the history of the series regarding both the events that took place from 1978-1991 and accurate as to the characters' personalities. I thought the personalities were simplified a lot in TNT Dallas and in most cases they left out the redeeming qualities and amplified the negative qualities. The character of Cliff was easily the least accurate of all of the them.

    They butchered Cliff's personality along with his values and even the events in his history such as saying he adopted Frank from an Asian country. We all know Cliff didn't adopt anyone, just as we all know that John Ross and Christopher didn't grow up with Elena. It wouldn't have been that hard to get the events of the past accurate! The hard thing about a recast is finding someone who the audience would accept as Cliff. I've only seen recasts done well when the character being recast was a minor character or a major character who had just recently debuted so the audience hadn't had much time to get attached to the idea of a certain actor playing that role. For those reasons recasting Kristen worked ( she'd only been a minor character until Mary Crosby was given the role). Recasting Jenna worked because she'd also only been a minor character until they cast Priscilla Presley in the role. Recasting Miss Ellie didn't work because the audience was emotionally attached to seeing Barbara Bel Geddes play the role. The only thing that saved it from being a complete disaster is that it was just a temporary recast of less than one full season since Miss Ellie didn't appear until almost half way through season 8. I've read different things about the intent but I believe that they knew from the start that the Miss Ellie recast was temporary. The way I remember it being reported on Entertainment Tonight was she was just filling in for Barbara Bel Geddes until she was healthy enough to return to the series.

    If Barbara Bel Geddes wasn't expected to ever be able to return to acting I doubt they would have recast her. They probably would have had Miss Ellie pass away instead of recasting her. It's just like with Jock, they never considered recasting him. On the series 10 DVDs there is a special features section where they explain that they never considered having Wes Parmalee turn out to be Jock. They said the reason Jock's portrait was always featured so prominently in the show after Jock died is that it was their way of keeping Jock's presence alive as much as it could have been. They talk about how Jocks presence is felt all through the run of the series and they kept him relevant to the show with how much they mentioned him and with the storylines that involved actions of his that had consequences long after he was gone such as the contest for Ewing Oil, the storyline where Cliff and Jamie thought they had found evidence that entitled each of them to a third of Ewing Oil, and the information Donna found where Jock and Sam Culver had both had Sam's relative, Jonas Culver, committed to a sanitarium for just long enough so that they could drill for oil on his land but Jonas didn't know he was getting out soon and he committed suicide as a result of feeling trapped in the asylum.
     
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  10. Sarah

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    No, I don't. That's the beauty of TV. And the legacy he left behind. :love5:
     
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    I don't even remember. It's had to have been over a decade though.
    They ignored the reunion movies so I ignore TNT.
     
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    I'm always open to the idea of a recast - at least in theory. I don't believe the writers should necessarily be beholden to the whims of the cast in telling their story but in practice I admit it can be tricky finding the right replacement.
    It was said at the time that with Jock gone it was necessary to keep Miss Ellie alive because she was the only one left who could keep JR in line.
     
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    Yes, I'm a believer that out of respect for the actor, the character should die with them. In my mind, Cliff died trying to find Pam.
     
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    Yes and no.
    Yes in the sense that since Ken Kercheval is gone, Cliff will be dead if there's ever another reunion movie or Dallas revival. :(
    No in the sense that the character lives on in fanfics. :)
     
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    For me, Cliff died in the Mexican prison.
     

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