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Esther Shapiro and Sallie Patrick throws SHADE at TNTDallas

Discussion in 'Dallas TNT' started by tommie, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. tommie
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    Maybe they need to look up the word Dynasty in a dictionary?
     
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    After all these years and almost 90, Esther's still dishing the B.S.
     
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    TNT Dallas should sue CW Dynasty for slander.
     
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    CW Dynasty should just counter that TNT Dallas "lacks relevance" xoxo
     
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    Oh, the humour. I hope CW Dynasty has more of that.
     
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    At least The CW will accept the mediocre ratings of nuDynasty. What happened to TNTDallas? Oh right, it got cancelled.

    How awful my dear.
     
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    I think CWD will be just as great as TNTD. I guess some people want it to fail because it shouldn't be better than their own life.
    So sad, so bitter.
    :byee:
     
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    Well let's see how well Dynasty does then shall we?
     
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    But aren't you being bitter by calling those people "bitter"? ;)

    These shows can't possibly fail because people just stopped watching.

    I wish they'd fixed dreadful nuDALLAS instead of cancelling it. The nuDYNASTY concept, a remake, matters less to me because, well, it's a remake and doesn't really need to align with anything to succeed or fail on its own.
     
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    Agreed, on both counts.

    There's a bit of chicken counting going on here. It remains to be seen whether reimagined versions of old characters will rate better than the offspring of original characters.
     
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    I'd say, disappointed.
    Maybe it was my fault because I didn't watch it when it aired on TV. That one person could have made the difference between "enough viewers" and "not enough viewers".
    Forgive me, loyal Dallas fans!
     
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    Maybe they're just disappointed, too.

    Heh. Not hardly. nuDALLAS dropped from 8 million viewers when it premiered to, what?, two million... maybe less?

    I don't question you're of value, but unless you'd been cloned around 2012, it's hard to see how your participation might have changed things.
     
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    Give Esther Shapiro a big bouquet of flowers :dancer:

    She is spot on then it comes to 2nd/3rd generation actors/characters none gave a monkeys about - Im glad it was pulled before it /they/CC could inflict more damage and Cr*p on us!

    Smart woman!
     
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    No, in Esther's case, she's just being pettily competitive.

    A 2nd and 3rd generation of characters (alongside the first generation) could have worked had nuDALLAS been better produced.

    And Shapiro was indeed trying to get a second and third generation of DYNASTY green-lighted, but had to settle for a mere remake because that's all "the kids" at the networks would sign off on.

    Esther was, and is, a spin-doctress and nothing she says can be trusted at all. She just spends all her time pretending to connect the dots.
     
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    Yes, I loved the new John Ross. Just wish the show had worked.
     
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    The thing is, what's better? A show that incorporates the old and new by having some of the originals in it like Dallas did (albeit not enough of the originals), or a show which decides to start anew using the same basic outline which is what Dynasty is doing? IMO, either way you're going to have original viewers tuning in for the pilot to see how it's done and then making a judgement on whether it's actually worth continuing to watch. Dallas lost a huge amount of viewers from the first to second episode and from then on. Dynasty might end up with the same thing happening, where old fans tune in looking to see how they've redone it and then deciding actually it's just like any other modern original drama and they've really just slapped the name Dallas or Dynasty onto it rather than recreating the original feeling of the original show.
     
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    Doesn't really matter to me, I just want it all.
    Isn't it more interesting to do the things they couldn't do in the 80s? I mean, we already know what the 80s version looks like.
    I think that's what makes people curious about remakes, to see what's changed, and to spot the similarities. Of course it should feel familiar enough.
     
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    This is what is important IMO, otherwise what's the point? You might as well do a completely original drama and not have the bother of trying to please a group of original viewers? I think that's where Dallas went off on the wrong track. It started out as being focused on the new generation with the original generation still around as a connection, but then it turned into something completely different, a fast-paced crime drama often focusing on people who the audience ended up not caring about and where even the time they spent on the originals the connection began to loosen and Sue Ellen/Bobby/Cliff really could have been any generic characters and it wouldn't have mattered.

    I think Dynasty have the advantage of not having original actors picking up their characters decades later and trying to incorporate them, they instead get to take the general premise of the show with the same general characters and remake it, it's freer. They also have the advantage of seeing Dallas' rise and fall; if they can stick to something that resembles the drama and glitz of the original they shouldn't receive too much criticism about how different it is. If all of a sudden it becomes more like CSI than Dynasty then of course people are going to criticise. People are going to criticise and compare either way though, that's what happens when you sell a show based on another show.

    We'll have to wait and see how things go, I think it's a bit premature to decide one way or another about the new show just yet, only time will tell how the audience react, online and in viewership. New viewers might absolutely love the modernised Dynasty while original viewers have a hard time accepting it. Or it might have a hard time picking up a new audience because the storylines aren't great and the only people really dedicated are original viewers. Really, only time will tell.
     

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