1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Fallon/Randal

Discussion in 'The Colbys' started by Logan Rhinewood, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. Logan Rhinewood

    Logan Rhinewood Soap Chat Member

    Threads:
    3
    Messages:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    70
    Location:
    NYC
    Ratings:
    +48
    I’m watching The Colby’s again (I watched the original run and have watched my dvds a few times since they came out) but I’m puzzled about a few things around Fallon’s return as Randal:

    1. Wouldn’t Randal have undergone a full medical examination at some point that would have determined she had given birth to a child and was suffering from trauma to the brain, temporary paralysis and crippling headaches?

    2. Everyone is tiptoeing around her and whispering behind closed doors about her, afraid to tell her the truth about who she is. Why? What could possibly be the worst thing that could happen? She’d freak out and cry? She’s doing that anyway! What do medical studies show effects amnesiacs when they suddenly get their memory back? Will their heads explode or something?

    3. How do the Colby’s not even know Fallon? They’ve all spoken of knowing Jeff when they were younger, but never knew Fallon? She’s a Carrington for Fs sake.

    4. And finally, Randal speaks French and can ride horses. How does she remember that or even how to walk and talk if she has amnesia?

    Someone help!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  2. thomaswak

    thomaswak Soap Chat Well-Known Member EXP: 11 Months

    Threads:
    8
    Messages:
    730
    Trophy Points:
    277
    Location:
    France
    Ratings:
    +942
    1- I don't remember the trauma to the brain. I remember they found nothing in Dynasty, and couldn't explain the paralysis and the headaches. It was psychological I think. Fallon was a bit of a nutcase.

    2- Soap convenient plot : they were following a psychiatrist advice to not tell her who she really was. And yes, their heads explode when the memory rush is too fast.

    3- Because they only knew Pamela Sue Martin's Fallon.

    4- Yes, but can she ride French and talk to the horses ?

    You're welcome!
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2019
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Alexis

    Alexis Soap Chat Warrior EXP: 12 Years

    Threads:
    95
    Messages:
    5,604
    Trophy Points:
    2,638
    Ratings:
    +9,350
    Well I mean it's all explained away when we learn she shot Roger Grimes.
     
  4. thomaswak

    thomaswak Soap Chat Well-Known Member EXP: 11 Months

    Threads:
    8
    Messages:
    730
    Trophy Points:
    277
    Location:
    France
    Ratings:
    +942
    Yes. In an alternate universe.
    In Dynasty universe 1, Roger Grimes died years later in a hospital (with Alexis visiting him)
     
  5. Alexis

    Alexis Soap Chat Warrior EXP: 12 Years

    Threads:
    95
    Messages:
    5,604
    Trophy Points:
    2,638
    Ratings:
    +9,350
    Shusssshhhhhhh…….. Nobody remembered that Dynasty.
     
    • Funny Funny x 4
  6. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson SoapLand Battles Moderator

    Threads:
    264
    Messages:
    12,257
    Trophy Points:
    9,250
    Occupation:
    marriage counselor
    Location:
    Plotville, Shenanigan
    Ratings:
    +22,516
    I think it's about her condition rather than her identity (although it's not the most ordinary identity!)
    With soap operas being all about drama and tension it's very easy to create drama and tension purely based on the plot idea that there shouldn't be any drama and tension.
    "Don't upset the confused/pregnant/sick/injured character", often followed by a gruesome prediction.
    It was a specific confrontation that cured Peyton Place's Rodney Harrington from his paralysis, and then it was another confrontation that paralysed him again.
    So...
    Maybe not that, but the shock could shut down her nervous system and send her into a coma.
    Furthermore, you can also create a lot of tension and drama for the characters who have to walk on eggshells. If they say the wrong thing, they will not be forgiven!

    Or it makes her do dangerous Wonder Woman stuff. Imagine if this had happened on the top the Colby Enterprises building. I'm just saying.
    upload_2019-11-19_22-54-14.png

    How could Sable not know Alexis' daughter? I love The Colbys, but the start-up was a bit of a disaster.
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. thomaswak

    thomaswak Soap Chat Well-Known Member EXP: 11 Months

    Threads:
    8
    Messages:
    730
    Trophy Points:
    277
    Location:
    France
    Ratings:
    +942
    This very photo made me laugh so hard. I can't be a fan of this Fallon. I really can't. Does she want to fly? Does she want to get high? If so I prefer season 1 high Fallon. I Mean the one who smoked with Jeff. It would never happen in later campy seasons.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  8. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson SoapLand Battles Moderator

    Threads:
    264
    Messages:
    12,257
    Trophy Points:
    9,250
    Occupation:
    marriage counselor
    Location:
    Plotville, Shenanigan
    Ratings:
    +22,516
    I think she wants to explode!
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  9. tommie

    tommie Soap Chat Star EXP: 3 Years

    Threads:
    289
    Messages:
    2,965
    Trophy Points:
    1,098
    Location:
    Sweden
    Ratings:
    +3,611
    2. I actually think it's because there's a risk of "false" memories - ie if you're told enough that this or that happened to you, you might start believe it happened. I think it's common to avoid telling too much to people who suffer from memory loss just to see what memories they themselves can remember especially as the brain starts to heal from whatever trauma. Of course, eventually they'll be filled in either way.

    4. Isn't this fairly common? I assume it's to do with what part of your brain is affected.

    ... but of course, the simplest explaination is this: Fallon had Convenient Soap Opera Amnesia.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. Michael Torrance

    Michael Torrance Soap Chat Star EXP: 2 Years

    Threads:
    90
    Messages:
    2,504
    Trophy Points:
    1,098
    Occupation:
    Instigator
    Location:
    Alexis' studio
    Ratings:
    +4,050
    Wow, we are actually in agreement over something about the Colbys. It's just that I define the start-up as most of the first season.

    When she died and there was a funeral, I am sure her picture was all over the society pages. There is not a simple Colby or gardener in the mansion who would not know who she was. And you know, they could have had that ironed out: Miles was away in Europe for some time, away from newspaper coverage, and married Randall, but when he brought her home, everybody else is horrified because they do recognize her.

    Well, soap amnesia is its own kind of amnesia. In retrograde amnesia, which soaps pretend to use/modify, people do not remember a lot of their adolescent and adult life in terms of events, but skills etc. remain intact.

    It was necessary to explain Fallon being away somehow, and there were two options: a coma, or amnesia (there was also a ridiculous one: it was all Jeff's dream :D).
    Amnesia was not a bad choice, just how it was handled. In fact, it would have been nice if Randall was one personality and Fallon was the Fallon we had known from Dynasty. That would also have eased Samms into the role without the expectation of being compared to PSM, because it was not Fallon. Back in the 90s on a daytime soap, B&B, they had done a great story where an amnesiac Stephanie Forrester becomes a much kinder, gentler person than the bitch she was in everyday life. But it seems that even after Randall regained her memories, her personality stayed that of the hausfrau, so it wasn't the amnesia causing the dull personality, it was the show.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  11. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson SoapLand Battles Moderator

    Threads:
    264
    Messages:
    12,257
    Trophy Points:
    9,250
    Occupation:
    marriage counselor
    Location:
    Plotville, Shenanigan
    Ratings:
    +22,516
    I'm currently watching a storyline about an amnesiac post-plastic-surgery impostor.
    And she also has a Wes Parmalee moment when she "remembers" something that the real post-surgery recast actress had told her before she became amnesiac.
     
  12. tommie

    tommie Soap Chat Star EXP: 3 Years

    Threads:
    289
    Messages:
    2,965
    Trophy Points:
    1,098
    Location:
    Sweden
    Ratings:
    +3,611
    False memories aren't that unusual in itself - think back about very early childhood memories. How many of those do you think are real versus what you've been told over the years and adopted as a memory? With that said, it's fairly easy to puncture a false memory in that details are usually wrong.
     
  13. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson SoapLand Battles Moderator

    Threads:
    264
    Messages:
    12,257
    Trophy Points:
    9,250
    Occupation:
    marriage counselor
    Location:
    Plotville, Shenanigan
    Ratings:
    +22,516
    You mean like a déja vu?
     
  14. tommie

    tommie Soap Chat Star EXP: 3 Years

    Threads:
    289
    Messages:
    2,965
    Trophy Points:
    1,098
    Location:
    Sweden
    Ratings:
    +3,611
    No, I believe déja vu is entirely different. I'd guess I'd mostly compare false memories mostly to brain washing while déja vu has more to do neurology I believe.
     
  15. Willie Oleson

    Willie Oleson SoapLand Battles Moderator

    Threads:
    264
    Messages:
    12,257
    Trophy Points:
    9,250
    Occupation:
    marriage counselor
    Location:
    Plotville, Shenanigan
    Ratings:
    +22,516
    Yes of course, I remember now.
     
  16. Ked

    Ked Soap Chat Star

    Threads:
    73
    Messages:
    2,580
    Trophy Points:
    1,098
    Ratings:
    +2,245
    That would have been the perfect explanation. There was really no reason for anybody else not to recognize Fallon... although maybe at first, they weren't ready to believe it actually *was* her: "Yes, this girl does bear a striking resemblance, but we don't know for certain that it actually IS Fallon!"

    Perhaps a DNA test is done (Monica lets Randall borrow a hairbrush, and then takes some of the extra hairs in) that confirms her true identity?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. Alexis

    Alexis Soap Chat Warrior EXP: 12 Years

    Threads:
    95
    Messages:
    5,604
    Trophy Points:
    2,638
    Ratings:
    +9,350
    I have the strangest feeling I have read this before?
     
  18. Snarky's Ghost

    Snarky's Ghost Soap Chat Oracle EXP: 19 Years

    Threads:
    518
    Messages:
    7,126
    Trophy Points:
    6,136
    Occupation:
    INFJ
    Location:
    Haunting that cozy cellar under Falcon Crest
    Ratings:
    +9,182
    I think Alexis claimed the Denver D.A. said Roger died in prison two months before Blake's murder trial -- a contradiction easily rectified if only they'd had Alexis later assert that the D.A. liked about Roger's death in order to trick her into returning to testify.

    But they didn't.
     
  19. Alexis

    Alexis Soap Chat Warrior EXP: 12 Years

    Threads:
    95
    Messages:
    5,604
    Trophy Points:
    2,638
    Ratings:
    +9,350
    Well there was a scene where that happened. But it happened at the St Dennis Club. Nobody saw it because everybody started going to new mountain hotspot La Mirage around that time.
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
  20. Snarky's Ghost

    Snarky's Ghost Soap Chat Oracle EXP: 19 Years

    Threads:
    518
    Messages:
    7,126
    Trophy Points:
    6,136
    Occupation:
    INFJ
    Location:
    Haunting that cozy cellar under Falcon Crest
    Ratings:
    +9,182
    I always place it in the middle of that "I hope you're not suggesting that he tried to molest you..." (or words to that effect) scene at The Carlton.

    I just want to see it there.

    I'm not sure Randal knew or cared.

    [​IMG]
     

Share This Page