SoapLand - The Battle Of Favourite Episode Cliffhangers - The Result

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    Hi @Richard Channing. I’m glad you like that scene so much too

    You had me doubt myself for a moment lol

    It is the cliffhanger of that episode for sure. I double checked on the fabulous Dallas Decoder website.

    He had a rave review for this scene (and episode)

    Episode 133 setting the scene for the following beautiful episode, The Letter :)
     
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    So voilà my Top Ten. To be honest, the best episode cliffhangers have been already mentioned above, and I agree with each and every one (especially re Queen Pam!). I have tried to be original and avoid those cliffhangers that followed the pattern of the other supersoaps, mainly Dynasty (you know, the sudden "I´m gonna bring you down once and for all" and "I am your secret daughter/son/sister/horse, etc").

    I myself love those cliffhangers that are long scenes with a previous buildup, that change somehow the game for future episodes, or at least make it look "as if" things are really changing for good, even if they aren´t. I have taken into account, as much as the acting and the writing, the staging, direction and scoring of the scene, so I´ll give a little data too. I´ll use the original 13-season numbering.

    1- "John Ewing III" (Part 1) Season 1. This last scene of the two-parter that led to the show´s first true cliffhanger was pure "Dallas": more sinister than ever, J.R. uses his wife´s alcoholism to hide the fact that the baby they´re expecting might be Cliff´s, and also because Daddy and Mama lectured him about doing "something" about it. Bruce Broughton´s music is somber and sad, and also the Leonard Katzman-directed shots of the big, creepy sanitarium-in-the-forest are clearly showing that the place might not be "just a nice little hospital", but a Downton Abbey-ish cage full of rich drunk women and bitchie, butchie nurses with a penchant for other women´s jewels, as we will see in the second part of the episode. Larry and Linda are just perfect in their dysfunctionality as the couple from Hell, and in a way, this scene would´ve made a better season cliffhanger than that apparently regretful J.R. beside a comatose Sue Ellen. Funny that the person who wrote this gem (part one only though) also was responsible for that lame Season 5 of "Dynasty", Camille Marchetta.

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    2- "Sue Ellen´s Sister" (Season 1, too). This is a short but effective scene favorite of mine, that closes the first episode that dug into Colleen Camp´s Kristin´s psyche (her second one actually). Despite being focused on her early schemes, the subplot of Bobby and Pam´s separation after Julie Grey´s affaire eventually reminds us what the show is about in its first year: Romeo and Juliet. Again, this emotion-filled episode was written by Marchetta (not Naldo, thank you), and the last scene shows our golden couple being torn between their families, but so happy to be in love with each other. I must say that CBS and Lorimar were proving their confidence in the series and it was obvious in the on-location filming late in the season and the stars´ looks and wardrobe. Here´s Victoria with her very famous Pam hairdo that every woman in the world copied, wearing a fur coat to work!! There is a sense of fate here, with Bobby asking her to make a choice because "things happen", no matter those things are called Kristin, Katherine or, ahem, that Jenna skank. The Irving Moore-directed freeze-frame on Pam´s beautiful face is (or was) suspenseful, and also Broughton´s score not only for this scene but for the whole episode.

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    Note to moi: One has to be a bit in love with your co-star to kiss him/her like that...
    3- "The Reckoning" (Season 5). And here we go with the middle years or second golden age! Who can forget that ominous shot of the family Ewing walking out of the courtroom after listening to the judge's decision of NOT overturning Jock´s will? As out-of-character as Miss Ellie´s announcement might seem at first, the writers gave us a good reasoning for everybody to want it overturned, save for J.R. and Bobby, that is. The episode, directed by actor-director Bill Duke and written by Will Lorin, featured one of BBG´s finest performances in the show´s history when she reads her letters from Jock in the stand, and has to declare that he might have been, well, a little cuckoo. Richard Warren´s ending music are like drums of war, and Victoria, Patrick and Larry´s reactions (each different) are impeccable. Barbara is her usual genius.

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    4- "Jock´s Trial" (II), Season 2. Backward again. The last shot of this episode written by A.B. Lewis is a sort of recap of the 300 events happened in this two-parter (yeah, the one that was going to be Season 2´s original cliffhanger instead of "Who Shot J.R.?"): an Irving Moore-directed, Bruce Broughton-scored not too long scene with the beginning of Digger Barnes´ funeral (formerly known as Pamela´s father). This is a very transcendental episode that turns the show´s premise upside down and not only deepens into the past of the two families but also kind of means: well, so far we've been kind with you sweet viewers, but now get ready, because anything goes!! The best is yet to come! Pam will have a secret and deliciously twisted family! Jock will soon die! Sue Ellen will stop drinking (for a while) without help! And, of course, J.R. will be shot...a few times. The fact that Cliff walks away from the group seems to point out that he will change his tactics too, for better or for worse, and the Kennedy-esque Cliff that we knew and loved will become another character.

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    5- "En Passant", Season 8. So we got to the Dream Season (and not the last time in this list). In my opinion, this should have been Sue Ellen´s exit scene from the show. It´s quite a long scene, very dynamic but also sentimental and reflective, finely directed by Michael Preece and scored by Lance Rubin in his best effort since "Swan Song". An irate J.R. arrives at The Fork ready to fight for his son with that "bad memory" of a mother who doesn´t "exist" (as he had called her earlier in the season). He´s received by Miss Ellie, Clayton and "Grandma Shepard" (perpetually oblivious, like her daughter). Written by that duo that came from the sister soap (Dunne & Feigenbaum) whose style nobody but me seems to like, it´s maybe the best entry ever devoted to Linda Gray´s talent. Her talk to her son and her final monologue to J.R. were an example of how to conclude an 8-year-running storyline in a soap...only that it didn´t end there at all as we know. Who needs a lingerie company, a dumb movie revenge and an affair with Ian McShane when you can castrate J.R. with kind words in front of Mama and go conquest the world free as a bird? Linda shines here and how. No need to say that the season goes downhill from there...

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    To Be Continued...
     
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    Here we go again...

    6- "The Split", Season 4. This Leonard Katzman episode ends with a scene that seems out of a classic western, though updated and a lot more spectacular: it´s the showdown of J.R. and Dusty at the Cotton Bowl Stadium, a duel between the Bad and the G0od (the ugly, Baby Christopher, is about to appear in an upcoming episode). The position of the actors is constantly changing, and also the tone of their argument: the closer they are, the hotter the topic is (meaning sex, of course, thus giving a slightly homoerotic touch to the scene, which climaxes in a slap given by Lusty Dusty...you know what I mean?). After that, J.R., totally pissed off after his power has been cast among his inept family members, decides to go "all the way" and attacks Dusty verbally using the info he has on the latter´s recent "sexual incapability" and, foreseeing a future subplot, hints that Sue Ellen has been "rolling in the hay" with Clayton. In a sense, the viewer wonders: how low can you go, J.R.? Dusty almost cries right there, the poor thing. Again, everything makes sense in this scene and will prove to be pivotal in the plot development.

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    7- "My Brother´s Keeper", Season 6. In this case, the penultimate scene links to the last one. At Ewing Oil Bobby suddenly realizes that Pam must be at their divorce hearing and then it cuts to a close shot of Pam with big reddish hair and a black dress with a tear-shaped print (this detail always made me crack up!). Behind her at the courtroom are the three musketeers: Cliff, Katherine (both having silent orgasms for Pam´s divorce) and sweet Afton, who keeps an eye on the Kat because she knows what a beech she is!! The judge is a good old man friend of the Ewings, who looks like starting to cry about the whole trial. Pam looks like Donna in Season 9 (like a zombie), and hardly speaks. Though this choice is clearly replacing "The Letter" and avoid repetition, this Katzman-directed, Lewis-written eppi is truly amazing, showing how much J.R. and Cliff have changed, and how much Bobby and Pam still love each other. Broughton´s ending music is as devastatingly effective as is Victoria´s expression (and Morgan´s!) when the divorce is final.

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    If looks could kill...
    8- "Fools Rush In", Season 6. Another Pam-centric cliffhanger, now with her shocking discovery of Mark´s rare leukemia. With a previous buildup scene showing us, among other things, what a party animal Katherine seemed to be, and Pam´s first encounter with Mark´s doctor Jerry Kenderson, the very last scene, written by skilful David Paulsen, is minimalistic and follows the rule of "less is more": she keeps trying to find out what Jerry needed to tell his friend and patient, and, with the strength that gives a big but shorter bouffant and a pre-Travilla gown, Pam sums two and two and finally learns that..."Mark is gonna die!" Until then we can only hear the buzz of people talking and piano music in the background, but the latter eventually fades into a few masterfully sad notes by Richard Warren, and then...Victoria tries to cry in a "for your Emmy consideration" way, which really moves me every time. Michael Preece directed this, and talented DOP Bradford May tried his best to make her look as gorgeous as ever...

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    9- "The Family Ewing", aka "the first Dallas episode that made people waste one hour of their lives", Season 8. I probably have a thing for the funeral scenes in soaps and no other TV character deserved grieving as much as dear Bobby Ewing. Ok, it was all a dream but I love this episode and it´s in my Top 10, or 15...The end with Bobby´s funeral is beautifully directed by Nick Havinga, scored by a Jerrold Immel in state of grace (despite that beech Capice!) and written by Mr. Katzman (hey, but wasn´t this guy out of the show already...?). In a way, it´s a labor of love to the show, and Barbara Bel Geddes was brought back thanks to the Soap Gods. The camera shows us the faces of all the people there, which also is a reminder of why we like it so much. Even Gary from the parallel universe of "Knots Landing" is there...and finally, of course, there is that underwritten, underplayed monologue by Larry Hagman. If we just could erase Jenna and Charlie from that scene...

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    Note to moi: Gary seems to be thinking, "My gawd, Sue Ellen´s shouldepads (left in the pic) are even bigger than Abby´s"

    10- "Dead Ends", Season 7. In a season full of Dynasty-like episodic cliffhangers, this one is especially shocking and atmospheric. First we see Pam and Sue Ellen supposedly outside a Hong Kong hospital, (probably one in Tinseltown), at night. Pam gets into the clinic as Sue Ellen waits for her outside (wouldn´t this be dangerous there, or even in my own city?). Dressed as a nurse with a cape (superPam!), the employee she has bribed takes her to the room where Mark might be staying at. She walks down a corridor tear-eyed, and walks into the half-lit room. Then Pam sees the back of a dark-haired man lying on the bed, and calls him Mark, but he turns around and looks like an X-rated movie star from the 70´s. She apologizes and runs away, while the pornstache and the Chinese employee exchange mysterious lines that don´t mean a thing because of Pam´s dream. Despite the humorous tone of this paragraph, this scene is very well directed by Michael Preece upon a script by the Katzman. As usual, Broughton elevates the whole thing to another level, mainly in all the Hong Kong scenes. The scene couldn´t be filmed like that now, especialy because the Chinese guy (who is a corrupt man fascinated by "american" dollars) looks a bit like the grandson of Fu Manchu and I seemed to hear some kind of gong in the score. Completely inappropiate by today´s standards (the employee would be a transgender woman, maybe).

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  4. Willie Oleson

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    Soapchat's favourite Dallas cliffhangers are:

    S07 E03 - The Letter
    S05 E26 - Things Ain't Goin' Too Good At Southfork
    S03 E17 - Paternity Suit
    S08 E04 - Resurrection
    S09 E02 - Rock Bottom

    Thanks!

    I'll post the list of all competing cliffhangers in a new thread, and then we'll have our own showdown at Soap Angelo [​IMG]
    Who's going to grab the trophy in this most ambitious soap battle?

    To be very continued...
     
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    So, after selecting the finest non-season-finale cliffhangers of each soap, the time has come to burden you with the tremennnndously difficult task of choosing your 5 favourites of all competing cliffhangers.

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    Here's the list of cliffhangers, each with a short description which I have copied from the previous thread.

    RETURN TO EDEN S01 E17 (Princess Talita removes her niqab revealing she is Stephanie Harper)
    RETURN TO EDEN S01 E19 (the mysterious model turns out to be the presumed dead Stephanie Harper)
    RETURN TO EDEN S01 E20 (Jilly is poisoned, carrying Jake's child and slips below the surface of the pool)
    THE COLBYS S02 E16 - "Manhunt" (Death and chaos at the IMOS Conference)
    THE COLBYS S02 E21 - "Return Engagement" (Sable spots an intimate rendezvous between Frankie and Philip)

    DYNASTY S01 E13 - "The Separation" (Blake kills Ted Dinard)
    DYNASTY S02 E02 - "The Verdict" (Alexis tells Blake that she's going to occupy her former studio)
    DYNASTY S03 E03 - "The Wedding" (Cecil Colby dies)
    DYNASTY S03 E04 - "The Will" (Alexis meets adult Adam for the first time)
    DYNASTY S02 E09 - "The Psychiatrist" (Blake and Alexis kiss in Rome and Krystle and Nick kiss back in Denver)

    FALCON CREST S03 E27 - "The Avenger" (An emotional reconciliation between Julia and Angela concludes with the springhouse in flames)
    FALCON CREST S09 E01 - "The Price of Freedom" (Maggie drowns, Richard collapses in grief)
    FALCON CREST S02 E11 - "United We Stand" (Jacqueline gives Richard his birth certificate and reveals to him and Chase that she is his mother)
    FALCON CREST S01 E16 - "The Good, The Bad and The Profane" (Melissa tells Lance after they marry that she is pregnant with someone else's child)
    FALCON CREST S04 E27 - "...And The Fall" (Lorraine never makes it to meet Lance at the harbour but instead falls to her death)

    KNOTS LANDING S06 E05 - "Ipso Facto" (Abby finds out that the babies are Gary's via a Commodore 64)
    KNOTS LANDING S05 E05 - "One Kind Of Justice" (Lilimae mows down Chip)
    KNOTS LANDING S04 E18 - "Celebration" (CiJi's dead body on the shore)
    KNOTS LANDING S05 E14 - "Secrets Cry Aloud" (Karen's addiction escalates)
    KNOTS LANDING S05 E07 - "Sacred Vows" (Gary meets CiJi's lookalike)

    DALLAS S07 E03 - "The Letter" (Pam walks away crying after Bobby tells her he wants a divorce)
    DALLAS S05 E26 - "Things Ain't Goin' Too Good At Southfork" (Sue Ellen and Mickey's car crash)
    DALLAS S03 E17 - "Paternity Suit" (JR picks up John Ross for the first time)
    DALLAS S08 E04 - "Resurrection" (Mark Graison is alive)
    DALLAS S09 E02 - "Rock Bottom" (Sue Ellen scrapes the bottom of the barrel and starts drinking in the streets)

    Good luck![​IMG]
     
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    1. FALCON CREST S03 E27 - "The Avenger" - one of my favourite scenes of all time in any of the soaps. Beautifully constructed, written and acted, and killing of a major character mid season was such a shock.

    2. DALLAS S07 E03 - "The Letter" - when Dallas wanted to tug at your heart strings they did it so well. One of the most emotional scenes ever in the series. Victoria in particular was amazing in this.

    3. FALCON CREST S09 E01 - "The Price of Freedom" - the most surprising and horrific death in all the soaps. Falcon Crest never shied away from killing of major characters but I never saw this one coming and so early in the season. The stand out scene in the entire final season.

    4. KNOTS LANDING S05 E05 - "One Kind of Justice" - who would have known sweet little Lilimae who everyone laughed at while she sang ditties as she played that harp thing would turn badass?

    5. RETURN TO EDEN - S01 E17 - one of the stand out scenes of this brilliant and much under-rated 1980s soap.
     
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    1. DYNASTY S01 E13 - "The Separation"
    2. FALCON CREST S09 E01 - "The Price of Freedom"
    3. KNOTS LANDING S06 E05 - "Ipso Facto"
    4. DALLAS S05 E26 - "Things Ain't Goin' Too Good At Southfork"
    5. THE COLBYS S02 E21 - "Return Engagement"
     
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    1: DYNASTY S02 E02 - "The Verdict" (Alexis tells Blake that she's going to occupy her former studio)
    2: KNOTS LANDING S06 E05 - "Ipso Facto" (Abby finds out that the babies are Gary's via a Commodore 64)
    3: DALLAS S09 E02 - "Rock Bottom" (Sue Ellen scrapes the bottom of the barrel and starts drinking in the streets)
    4: KNOTS LANDING S05 E05 - "One Kind Of Justice" (Lilimae mows down Chip)
    5: FALCON CREST S09 E01 - "The Price of Freedom" (Maggie drowns, Richard collapses in grief)
     
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    1. RTE S1 E17 princess Teletha unveils her disguise to Bill that she is Stephanie and Jake sees her. Heart in throat fabulous tv moment

    2. RTE S1 E19 Stephanie modelling on the catwalk unveils herself to all and Jilly screams ‘nooooo’ after losing all her millions. Stunning

    3. Dallas S9 E4 mark romantically reappears and Pam faints into his arms. Awwwww :0)

    4. Dallas S7 E3 Pam cries as she walks away after Bobby told her he wants a divorce. Awwww :-(

    5. Dallas S9 E2 Sue Ellen guzzling from the wino’s bottle in the street. Unnerving and gritty
     
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    1. DALLAS S05 E26 - "Things Ain't Goin' Too Good At Southfork" (Sue Ellen and Mickey's car crash)

    2. FALCON CREST S03 E27 - "The Avenger" (An emotional reconciliation between Julia and Angela concludes with the springhouse in flames)

    3. DYNASTY S01 E13 - "The Separation" (Blake kills Ted Dinard)

    4. KNOTS LANDING S05 E05 - "One Kind Of Justice" (Lilimae mows down Chip)

    5. THE COLBYS S02 E21 - "Return Engagement" (Sable spots an intimate rendezvous between Frankie and Philip)
     
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    1. KL's "One Kind of Justice" (5/5)
    2. KL's "Secrets Cry Aloud" (5/14)
    3. FC's "The Price of Freedom" (9/1)
    4. KL's "Ipso Facto" (6/5)
    5. KL's "Sacred Vows" (5/7)
     
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    1. DALLAS S05 E26 - "Things Ain't Goin' Too Good At Southfork" (Sue Ellen and Mickey's car crash)

    Because the drama is so good in this one that it just makes me want to turn on the next episode.

    2. DALLAS S07 E03 - "The Letter" (Pam walks away crying after Bobby tells her he wants a divorce)

    Because this scene breaks my heart.

    3. DYNASTY S02 E02 - "The Verdict" (Alexis tells Blake that she's going to occupy her former studio)

    I love this one too. Now get the drama started.

    4. KNOTS LANDING S06 E05 - "Ipso Facto" (Abby finds out that the babies are Gary's via a Commodore 64)

    Abby's facial expression is hilarious. There you go for snooping in other's computers.

    5. KNOTS LANDING S05 E07 - "Sacred Vows" (Gary meets CiJi's lookalike)

    I love that Lisa Hartman is back. I liked her more as Cathy than Ciji.


    Just Below my list:

    FALCON CREST S01 E16 - "The Good, The Bad and The Profane" (Melissa tells Lance after they marry that she is pregnant with someone else's child)


    DYNASTY S02 E09 - "The Psychiatrist" (Blake and Alexis kiss in Rome and Krystle and Nick kiss back in Denver)


    KNOTS LANDING S04 E18 - "Celebration" (CiJi's dead body on the shore)


    DALLAS S03 E17 - "Paternity Suit" (JR picks up John Ross for the first time)

    THE COLBYS S02 E21 - "Return Engagement" (Sable spots an intimate rendezvous between Frankie and Philip)
     
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    1. Knots Landing S05 E05 - "One Kind Of Justice"
    2. Knots Landing S06 E5 - "Ipso Facto"
    3. Knots Landing S04 E18 - "Celebration"
    4. Dynasty - S03 E03 - "The Wedding"
    5. Dallas S06 E03 - "The Letter"
     
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    @Victoriafan3 I never saw the original mini series just the extended series that followed on from it. In the mini-series, do you know if Stephanie did another reveal that she was still alive or did she just adopt the Tara Welles alias and nobody found out her true identity until the extended series?
     
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    Hi @Angela Channing I Highly recommend watching the original mini series. It’s only three parts. HUGELY Successful show. The maxi series will also make more sense. It is more drama and less soapy than the full season that followed. But to answer your question, yes in episode three Tara revealed herself to be Stephanie and this set up the maxi series. It’s a different Jilly. Peta was perfect as the minx super bitch she was in the series but Wendy Hughes is also superb (one of Australia’s finest actresses) playing a much more vulnerable mixed up Jilly. I don’t like recasts but I think this worked brilliantly. They were both perfect for what they played. Give it a watch....I don’t know the whole script by heart at all ;-)
     
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    My Top 5:

    1- Dallas: "The Letter" (OR Season 6)
    2- Dallas: "Resurrection" (Dream Season)
    3- Dallas: "Things Ain't Goin' Too Good At Southfork" (Season 5)
    4- Falcon Crest: "The Avenger" (Season 3)
    5- Knots Landing: "Celebration" (Season 4)

    Honorable mention:
    6- The Frog and the Beautiful: "Will You Muppet Me?" (Miss Piggy is given 5 minutes left to live, and Kermit asks her to "muppet" her...but she just blinks twice...Will they / won´t they...in time?)

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    Thanks. I'll have to see if I can find the mini series online. I didn't have any problem following the extended series but I always wondered how it all began.
     
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    It’s cheap enough to buy on eBay on DVD too. Not that you’d be like me and watch it over and over again ;-)
     
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    Yes, it was a big hit.
    Glossy mini-series were extremely popular at that time and RTE was the Australian answer to the Jackie Collins and Sidney Sheldon stories.
    However, most of these mini-series were based on novels but I'm not sure if that was the case with Return To Eden and Bitter Legacy (the story of the sequel series) because these were released after the TV series.
    Then again, what's listed on Amazon could also refer to reprints, because it was very common for televised novels to be reprinted as the popularity of the tv series could boost the sales of the book versions (at that time there weren't many tapes, let alone DVDs, so the book was the only way to enjoy the movie or series again).

    However, I found an image of the RTE novel and the artwork has nothing to do with the series.
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    Which seems to suggest that it was printed before it was written for television.

    Another odd detail is that the ending of RTE II (Bitter Legacy) is different from the tv version.


    These two were obviously released after the tv series had been broadcast:
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    Perhaps you could shed a light on this @Victoriafan3? Did these Rosalind Miles novels already exist before we got the tv series?
     
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