Florida school shooting leaves 17 dead

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  1. Sarah

    Sarah Super Moderator Staff Member Original Member Since 1998

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    We've only had 18 school shootings since the start of 2018. We're lagging behind.
     
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    The case for gun control gets stronger every time this happens but gun-toting right-wing zealots will never be persuaded.
     
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    That is so true!!!
     
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    and so it goes on!!
    I really dont "get" the NRA and their take on guns and
    the constituition - well its not 1776 anymore, times change and it needs a serious review

    but it will never happen and when i see there is another gun attack, i think of USA before I think of any other country
    one of the reasons I havent bothered to renew my visa!!

    Tragic for those involved
     
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    The NRA (and the entire Republican party is in their pockets, as well as a few Democrats) wants no limitations on guns at all and have been very clear about that.

    There is only one place the NRA doesn't want, nor permits, guns: NRA rallies... So they know how dangerous their own policies are.
     
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    America is just MAD. You don't need gun control. You need to ban guns full stop. Kids killing kids in school... Why? Because you have the right to bear arms?

    And to the people saying it's not guns that are the problem it's the people. Well maybe in part, but it's a lot easier to massacre a school with a fire arm than it is with your fists or a baseball bat or a bloody spoon. Guns facilitate the crazy.

    I'm typing this while Barbra Streisand belts out People...
     
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    When I was in school we never even had to think about school shootings. Today, Massacre Preparedness 101 is the one part of the curriculum they're mostly likely to actually use.

    One thing I found most poignant about the coverage of this latest particular slaughter de jour were the sit-down interviews with the surviving students -- how articulate and insightful and world-weary nearly all of them were in their mid-teens.

    That comes from some place.

    We're killing our children and nobody cares. Even the maudlin media can't resist facilitating the killers (and thus future killings) by making stars out of them. I recall last year when a west coast junior college suffered a spree shooting, and the local sheriff refused to name or identify the killer so as to deny him the publicity, so the national media reported on that sheriff's noble gesture while they went into overtime to discover the killer's identity anyway and give him the coverage he'd craved.

    Polls show that nearly 90% of the American population want "reasonable gun control" (whatever that would be at this point, when there are more guns than people in the U.S.) but of course the people have no control over their own government: elections are routinely stolen by the political right today, through whatever means, and it's just become the "new normal"; the GOP just passed the most massive tax breaks for the wealthy in memory, paid for on the backs of the working poor, at a time when the discrepancy between the rich and the no-longer-middle class is at its greatest, because the oligarch donors told the Republicans they'd get no campaign funding in 2018 if they didn't pass the tax bill. (And the Democrats aren't much help either, although they at least voted "no"); the GOP does what the NRA demands 100% of the time.

    These shootings are absolutely a symptom of cultural breakdown, but they'd be much harder to accomplish if every narcissistic nutjob didn't have such easy access to military firearms.

    But then if you can keep the underclasses busy doping themselves into extinction, and mowing each other down like it's a war zone, your control over them and their paltry and meager little needs is all the easier.

    And while I hate to aim for such an easy target as the Internet and social media, God created the Tower of Babel for a reason, didn't he? And that's now been torn down... Sometimes a relative anonymity and lack of communication has its uses. Eliminate those protections and stuff starts to happen: some really good, and some really bad.

    But the effortless availability of bazookas to kindergarteners makes that "really bad" stuff much, much worse.
     
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  9. Sarah

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    Silly question maybe (sorry) but why schools? Why does it keep happening in schools?
     
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    To create the greatest horror show.
     
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    Some Republicans are blaming the shooting on the availability of porn. And some are insisting that the Democrats are "coaching" the surviving kids to say anti-gun things to the media.
     
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    Trump's solution is now to arm the teachers - even more sales to the gun lobby, and even easier for unhinged students to get hold of weapons - just mob the teacher!

    Sad, but what a crazy messed up country America is, even though I've loved the trips I had there. As long as half the population vote Republican, the murders will continue and the rich will get richer. When will the masses wake up to this? Let's hope the Democrats find a better challenger next time - I think Bernie may have done better against Trump, but we'll never know now...
     
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    Sean Penn was on Stephen Colbert's show last night and made the very same point.

    In the very-late'50s and early-'60s, gradeschool children had a haunted, doomed look I've always found interesting -- perhaps they'd absorbed the Bomb fears of the era. Maybe this soulful clarity on the part of the current highschoolers is just the latest version of that (as I tend toward a 60-year cycle theory myself).

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    Advertisers Ditch Laura Ingraham After She Mocks Parkland Activist

    Multiple companies say they're pulling their advertisements from conservative Fox News host Laura Ingraham's show after she sent a tweet mocking Parkland shooting survivor and gun-control activist David Hogg.

    Nestle US, Hulu and Nutrish confirmed on Twitter that they are removing advertising from Ingraham's show. Media reports say TripAdvisor, Expedia, Wayfair and Johnson & Johnson are pulling their support as well.

    Ingraham wrote Wednesday morning to her more than 2 million Twitter followers that Hogg, a high school senior, was whining about being rejected by four colleges. "David Hogg Rejected By Four Colleges To Which He Applied and whines about it. (Dinged by UCLA with a 4.1 GPA...totally predictable given acceptance rates.)" she wrote, before linking to an article that called Hogg a "gun rights provocateur."

    Hogg — who has amassed more than 650,000 Twitter followers himself — responded by tweeting a list of 12 companies that he said were sponsors of Ingraham's show, The Ingraham Angle. Hogg asked his supporters to each contact three or four companies.

    Facing pressure, Ingraham wrote an apology on Thursday afternoon, saying: "On reflection, in the spirit of Holy Week, I apologize for any upset or hurt my tweet caused him or any of the brave victims of Parkland." She invited Hogg to appear on her show.

    Hogg then wrote: "I will only accept your apology only if you denounce the way your network has treated my friends and I in this fight. It's time to love thy neighbor, not mudsling at children."

    Hogg has become one of the most visible of the survivors of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, in which 17 people died. He frequently appears in the media and spoke at the "March For Our Lives" rally in Washington, D.C. over the past weekend.

    Travel website TripAdvisor said it would stop advertising on Ingraham's show, saying it does not "condone the inappropriate comments made by this broadcaster."

    "We also believe Americans can disagree while still being agreeable, and that the free exchange of ideas within a community, in a peaceful manner, is the cornerstone of our democracy," the company said, according to The New York Times. "In our view, these statements focused on a high school student cross the line of decency."

    The online furniture seller Wayfair said in a statement to the Times: "The decision of an adult to personally criticize a high school student who has lost his classmates in an unspeakable tragedy is not consistent with our values."

    Hulu, the online video streaming service, said on Twitter it was "no longer advertising on Laura Ingraham's show" and was "monitoring all of our ad placements carefully."

    Foodmaker Nestle said it had "no plans to buy ads on the show in the future," while celebrity food host Rachael Ray's pet food company Nutrish said it was "in the process" of removing its ads.

    Supporters of Ingraham took to social media to say they would, in turn, now boycott companies that canceled their ad buys.

    It's not the first campaign to ask advertisers to abandon a Fox News host.

    Almost a year ago, more than 50 advertisers yanked their spots from Bill O'Reilly's Fox News show after it emerged that O'Reilly, Fox and its parent company had paid $13 million to settle five sexual harassment lawsuits. Fox dropped O'Reilly from the network soon after, though it's unclear how much the loss of advertisers contributed to the network's decision.

    In November, Fox's Sean Hannity stoked controversy by supporting Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore despite reports of Moore's sexual advances toward teenage girls. Coffee company Keurig initially said it was pulling ads from Hannity's show, only to face social media backlash from Hannity's supporters, who posted videos on Twitter of themselves smashing Keurig machines.

    Sean Hannity is, of course, still on Fox, and as The Washington Post notes, successful boycotts are hard to pull off. "At any given time, someone is probably trying to boycott a Fox News show for something."

    The Ingraham Angle is one of the top-rated news/opinion shows on cable.

    And as NPR's Colin Dwyer wrote, losing ads on one of its shows doesn't necessarily mean a financial hit for Fox — advertisers can simply slot their ads at other times on the network.

    Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ra-ingraham-after-she-mocks-parkland-activist
     
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    It's pretty telling to me that all of these conservatives would rather condemn kids trying to end gun violence than condemn the people committing gun violence.

     
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