Discussion in 'Dynasty' started by tommie, Sep 25, 2017.
Hmmm... some of that I didn't need to read.
But this is good:
He and Collins had an instant spark, even if when Thomson first met her, her first words to him were, “Oh yes, you’re here to test for the part of my son. It’s ridiculous darling, you’re much too old.”
Thomson laughs. “It took me four years to realize what an appalling thing that was to say to somebody. I didn’t take it that personally. Her justifiable vanity is colossal, and I knew she was right. Joan and I had chemistry from the word go.”
But while Thomson and Collins “got along like a house,” she did not with John Forsythe and Linda Evans, according to Thomson.
“Joan didn’t like Linda because Linda was loved. She was a star effortlessly. Joan was at best a Grade B movie star, and she always wanted to be a huge star. She knew she was three or four on the totem pole of English brunettes, at the top of which was her friend Elizabeth Taylor.
“Joan had a wonderful sex life, marriages, and kids, and she arrived on Dynasty with a lot of résumé. Joan knew Alexis was ‘kapow’ and dug all 10 fingernails into the part and went with it. It was a big treat to watch. I was told Aaron said to her, ‘You saved my show,’ and she did.”
When Forsythe found out Collins had posed for Playboy when she turned 50, he stormed to Spelling’s office to complain, says Thomson. “I just thought how bloody good she looks, bravo!”
“Joan was jealous of Linda,” says Thomson. “Linda was not the actress Joan was and is, and was just effortlessly adored by everybody on set, off set, the public. I have never met a more sympathetic, empathic, generous, gorgeous-looking human in my life. She was miraculous, and the audience knew that.”
A fascinating read. I never really thought about the possibility of John being in love with Linda but actually it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
His thoughts on CW Dynasty made me laugh. "Total shit. An abomination".....So you don't like it then Gordon?
This was also funny: Esther Shapiro: “The first person to laugh is fired. Richard (Shapiro, her husband and this show’s other creator) has had a vision: aliens.”
Is he posting on this forum too?
Which one of you bitches is the real Adam?
I don't know how to "read" this:
“Joan was jealous of Linda,” says Thomson. “Linda was not the actress Joan was and is, and was just effortlessly adored by everybody on set, off set, the public"
Joan Collins was a megastar as Alexis, the public adored her. So...why jealous?
Or is it because Joan Collins is/was a better actress, and Linda Evans really didn't deserve to be adored - at least not that much - because she wasn't as good as Joan Collins?
What is he saying?
Okay, I'll bite...
Linda was not only nicer to everybody, and liked for that reason, but she was the highest paid actress on television, not Joan. And Linda won 5 or 6 Peoples Choice awards, while Joan won only two (and one of which she shared with Linda).
Also, Seasons 1 and 2 prove Linda was as good an actress as Joan, even though Linda's acting deteriorated badly as the series wore on and the writing and static acting directive took their toll. No one laughed when Linda tied Barbara Bel Geddes for the 1982 Golden Globe, although just three or four years later this couldn't have happened.
But we know all that.
Aaron also made it much easier for Linda and John to get their raises than he did Joan probably because of how Collins often acted on the set. He made her fight for it, and good for him.
All of that said, I think Joan's jealousy of Linda is, and was, a kind of faux jealousy. Collins assumed Alexis would be jealous of Krystle and Linda, so Collins decided she had to be, too.
Seriously. That's what I think Joan did. So she's a weird one.
So she has "tension" with John and Linda on the set, and then "tension" with Linda during LEGENDS (which Linda knew would happen) blah-blah-blah because they were "rivals" in the script.
It's just silly, "lookee, I'm a diva-bitch like Alexis!" stuff from Joan. But it's all posing so people will talk. And then they do.
It's not really personal. It's just business.
"Ali MacGraw and Rock Hudson had joined the show that season, too, the idea being their characters would have affairs with Blake and Krystle respectively.
“John Forsythe was having none of it,” says Thomson. He gave Ali a big bunch of flowers when she arrived as if to say: Welcome, and that is not going to happen."
Then how was she going to play it convincingly, if she knew that storyline was going to be just a waste of time?
Imagine if the cast of Dallas had known beforehand that S10 was going to be a dream? It sabotages.
That's always been my impression too.
But it's not what he says in the interview.
Do you think he thought Joan Collins was the better actress?
Oh, he's just following the "Joan's a bitch" party line. Maybe he's never analyzed it.
Apparently, not very fond of Season 9 either:
"The show might have survived a bit longer beyond its death in 1989, Thomson says, but “nobody was heartbroken when it stopped, because whatever had been juicy about the show was gone. I was lucky to be involved in its juiciest years.”
Some of the actors totally missed what made Season 9 so much better than what came before. Joan praised it at first, until she started getting cut back in the episodes. Linda and Heather liked it. But JJ didn't like the incest hints (suddenly, JJ?), Gordon thought S9 didn't address his character's identity problems, and Collins was supposedly whispering in Forsythe's ear because she realized Paulsen was set to have Sable take over.
It kind of makes you feel a little less sorry for some of the actors, though, when they have so little feel for the show as a whole that they don't appreciate it when there's an obvious upswing in story quality.
“Why call it Dynasty? It’s nothing to do with Dynasty at all. It’s insulting. If the afterlife exists—it doesn’t, but if it did—Aaron would be having major fits in his grave"
Unless it becomes a hit, of course.
Personally I don't think a remake has to be "respectful" to the original movie or series.
I even hope that, whoever is going to play Alexis, she knows nothing about the original show and character.
"Thomson stoutly insists, however, that while he may not be the young, handsome actor he was back then, he’s not bad looking now. He notes that John James’ hair is thinner than it was, “and he was the best-looking man on TV at that time.” Thomson compares James’ title card at the beginning of the show (“nothing going on behind the eyes”) with Adam’s shit-eating grin as a champagne bottle’s cork pops off"
How superficial, but in an endearing kind of way.
*FFS, the page freezes again!*
Hadn't they done enough? Back to Michael Torrance again?
And he was back playing a villain again, that's what he wanted....
Again, Joan may have been politicking behind the scenes against Paulsen.
Gordon said that when Paulsen first came in, he sat all the actors down separately and asked them what issues they had with their characters (I'll bet that never happened before!) and Gordon had no complaints, but by the end of Season 9, he wasn't happy with where Adam was heading.
As producers like David Jacobs and Lenny Katzman have said, often actors are more consumed about what their own character is doing and whether that's interesting to them than to how the show feels overall. Which is only natural.
But whatever backsliding he felt Adam suffered in S9, it just doesn't "read" on screen.
And Linda Evans burst into tears?
Great interview. He really doesn't shred the words.
Also I don't know how I could have missed it. But it was news to me that he is gay!
Then went back to arranging her roses.
The interview is kind of awkwardly adorable I think. It's nice that he has at least made peace with himself now. I really do feel blessed to have been able to come out and be generally supported and protected by my family and people that matter. I didn't really have to hide anything. To be an actor in the spotlight and have to hide, and to a degree be kind of objectified as he was would be depressing and would mess you up. Being aware that much of the reason you are famous is only because of how you look would f*** you up also. He is and was a fine actor though and should be proud of his work on DYNASTY. I think he is anyways.
I agree with a lot of what he says about the show, and share some of his feelings about things.
And sometimes a little contradictory, but maybe that makes it more real.
I of love the twistedness of Gordon playing a son of a bitch homophobe and Jack playing a repressed homosexual.
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