How do we feel about CGI deceased actors in new roles?

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  1. Richard Channing

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    Jimmy Stewart, Bette Davis, and More Could Be Next ‘Digital Humans’ After CGI James Dean

    Worldwide XR is a new company with the rights for more than 400 late celebrities, all of whom could digitally return to various forms of media.

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    Moviegoers got shocking news earlier this month when it was announced James Dean would be digitally recreated using CGI visual effects in order to play a leading role in the upcoming Vietnam War action-drama “Finding Jack.” Dean died in a car crash in September 1955 at the age of 24 after leading the three feature films “East of Eden,” “Rebel Without a Cause,” and “Giant.” Bringing Dean back to the big screen through CGI has proved controversial, but it’s just the beginning for Worldwide XR, a new company that “aims to bring digital humans to traditional film as well as augmented and virtual reality” (via Variety).

    In addition to James Dean, Worldwide XR holds the rights for more than 400 celebrities, athletes, historical figures, musicians, and more, all of whom could be digitally recreated to appear in movies or virtual reality projects. “Influencers will come and go, but legends will never die,” Worldwide XR CEO Travis Cloyd said in a statement, while also teasing, “There is a lot more to come for James Dean. Think of it as James Dean 2.0.”


    Worldwide XR holds the rights for such Hollywood icons as Bette Davis, Bettie Page, Christopher Reeve, Ingrid Bergman, Jimmy Stewart, Lana Turner, Rock Hudson, and more. Musicians include Aaliyah, Jerry Garcia, and Dizzy Gillespie.

    Filmmakers Anton Ernst and Tati Golykh are behind “Finding Jack,” the war drama that will star a CGI version of James Dean in a secondary leading role. Pre-production on “Finding Jack” is set to begin this month. The plan is for the movie to be ready for a theatrical release on Veterans Day 2020. Magic City Films is working with Canadian VFX company Imagine Engine and South African VFX studio MOI Worldwide to recreate a realistic version of James Dean. Geoff Anderson from Imagine Engine will be overseeing the VFX supervision on Dean’s recreation.

    Worldwide XR CEO Cloyd acknowledges the decision to digitally recreate dead artists is “disruptive.” Actor Chris Evans used social media to lobby against resurrecting James Dean through VFX, calling the decision “awful.” Evans added, “Maybe we can get a computer to paint us a new Picasso. Or write a couple new John Lennon tunes. The complete lack of understanding here is shameful.”

    Visit Variety’s website for more on the launch of Worldwide XR.
     
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  2. Michelle Stevens

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    I don't see the point in it as the soul of the actor isn't there. I did like the CGI Peter Cushing in Rogue One but it was a part of timeline and a relatively minor role. I find the de-aging by CGI in The Irishman interesting as the actors are alive but just older.

    I would have loved to see where James Dean's career would have taken him if he had lived a full life but a part of his mystique is his early death.
     
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    A CGI version is going to cost a living actor his job, that's not good imo.
     
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    Surely they have to get a voice actor to do the lines anyway so it's basically the voice actor on CGI. Like a cartoon. I don't see the point of it. It's not James Dean, or any of the deceased actors on screen. Just their image. And if that's what people want to see they will go to the original source. Their old films, where every nuance of their real performance can be appreciated. It's a gimmicky thing. I could see it as useful for small parts, cameos and the like to pay homage. Say a film set in early 1950s Hollywood where you see James Dean or Marylin in shot or have them say a quick line to a real actor in the film. However creating a whole role for a CGI creation seems stupid, overly complicated and expensive. It's also in very poor taste. How did this company buy the rights to these great actors images? How is that even for sale? What kind of hell is Hollywood?
     
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    It depends who it is.

    I was thrilled to see Carrie Fisher in the last Star Wars movie (as a younger Princess Leia) but I would be very offended if anyone used Larry Hagman's image for anything other than Dallas, for example. It all depends on the circumstances and the context.
     
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    I'm against it on principle.

    Unless it's for oldDYNASTY flashbacks. Then I'm totally for it.

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    Oh, and for this:
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    I find this to be very bizarre. James Dean never consented to star in this movie about Vietnam, even if it is only a digitized version of him, it's still his likeness and can effect the way he is perceived and his legacy. And what about the families or offspring of theses actors? Do they get a say in any of it?

    You also wonder where all this is gonna end. Oscars for digitized actors?? Dead celebrity porn?? The mind boggles.

    That being said, I am certainly curious to see how this James Dean movie turns out. You'd imagine it to be unrealistic, soulless and glitchy, as it's all relatively new, but it might surprise us. I'm sure as time goes on they will get better and better at this. But will they ever really be able to conveying the emotion that a human actor could? It seems hard to imagine now. I also can't imagine them having great chemistry with other cast members!
     
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    Will they be credited for the movies on their IMDB page?
     
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    No.. As you cant act when you are dead. Even Bette F**king Davis cant do that!
     
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    Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Robin Williams restricted his likeness from being used for 25 years after his death?
     
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    No prob, just as long as it doesn’t look cheesy.
     
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    I would lobby for a CGI Barbara Bel Geddes replacing Donna Dread on "Dallas". I bet the latter´s heirs wouldn´t complain if the bucks were right... I´d love to see the Jock´s portrait out scene with BBG...
     
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    You like 'em dead anyway...
     
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    Oh, and that "Lana Turner" scene in LA CONFIDENTIAL ---- fix it!! It was the movie's only real flaw! She looks more like Sandy Dennis putting on airs than Lana Turner (putting on airs)!

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    I am all against it. Except when the actor is still alive and gives his/her agreement.
     

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