Peyton Place Ideas for a remake.

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    ...I'll be honest, I can't tell if you're being serious or not. :lol: I mean yes, "Yoowing" is an actual Chinese name, but I don't know; I wanted her name to be short and simple. Unless you have a reason for choosing that particular name?

    Indeed! :D Although fun fact: the book (written in the '50s, but set in the late '30s and early '40s) had a guy mention that he took his wife out to eat and dance at the China Dragon, which is where I got the idea. :)

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    @Willie Oleson Also, what do you think of the idea of the same actress portraying Catherine Harrington and Ann Howard?

    The reason I'd do that is so that the actress who plays Catherine won't feel cheated at appearing in only a handful of episodes, despite her character having such an important impact on the show. And it'd be a way to keep her around for the entire series: I'm tempted to have Catherine die in the pilot, but she reappears in flashbacks, and maybe sometimes nightmares and/or hallucinations for the first two seasons. In Season 3, the actress gets to wipe off her "middle-aged" makeup and don some youthful clothes, becoming Ann Colby Howard. In Season 4, she gets to play another death scene (and in the show's 100th episode, if each season gets 30 eps), but continues to appear in flashbacks.

    (Having Catherine played by an actress in her mid-to-late 20s would mean we'd be able to flashback to the characters' youth when she seduced Hannah's husband and had the twins. Even to when she somehow managed to convince Leslie Harrington to give up on pursuing Constance MacKenzie and marry her instead.)

    Not sure if Catherine or Ann make any appearances in Seasons 5 or 6, though they will at least be mentioned a few times.

    Then in Season 7, Ann Howard makes her return from the mental institution where she had been locked up... and I'm even thinking about having it so that she's the one who killed Joe Rossi (in order to stop him from hurting Michael). But even when Dr. Rossi is accused of the crime, she's not willing to come forward, as she's not willing to be locked up again. Plus, she had intended to lay evidence that would frame Hannah Cord. But there are some hints that, going by witness reports of Joe Rossi talking with a woman with long blonde hair, that Ann might be able to frame Susan Winter for the crime... but the series ends before that's confirmed or denied.
     
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    I *thought* so, but wasn't sure. :lol: Huh, the Yoowings... the Harringtons... Ann Colby...

    Y'know, I might be convinced to add in "Yoowing" if you can come up with more surname references to other famous soaps. In fact, I'm also tempted to have it so that Ann never married, so that she's just "Ann Colby" when she arrives. Just so the references are a little more apparent. :lol:
     
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    @Willie Oleson I'm glad now you didn't like the idea I had for Jack Chandler and Allison in Season 5, because I've got something a little different for Allison that year.

    You know how I have Chris Webber die in the Season 5 premiere? I decided that Lee Webber irrationally blames Allison for his brother's death ("If he hadn't been with you, like I told him not to, then he'd still be alive!"), and takes advantage of her being wheelchair-bound by taking her to the bluffs, where he intends on pushing her off (he pushed Chris off the bluffs, which blinded him; he was accused of pushing Ann off them as well, although we later find out he didn't - and yet Lee did gleefully tease that he *might* have pushed her). Thankfully Allison is rescued in time by both Norman and Sandy. A fight breaks out between Lee, Norman and Sandy, resulting in Lee falling off the bluffs himself. Landing right where Ann Colby was found, perhaps?


    I think this would be an important moment for Norman; not just because of him accidentally killing his mother the previous season, but also because I'm thinking, in Season 3, Norman either signs up for, or gets drafted, for Vietnam.

    In the book, Norman went off to fight in WWI, but was soon medically discharged on the grounds of being "mentally unfit to handle the duties of a soldier." He went "psychoneurotic" under fire in France. His mother told everybody that her son was discharged for a "terrible leg wound," and when Norman came back into town, his chest was covered in campaign ribbons - all of which Evelyn purchased herself in a store by a service base.

    Norman had protested to all of this, but his mother said:

    "Do you want everyone in town to think of you as crazy? Crazy the way Hester Goodale was crazy?
    "Do you want everyone up home to think of you as a coward who ran under fire?
    "Do you want to disgrace the both of us so that we can never hold up our heads again?
    "Do you want to give the Page Girls something on us that they can really talk about?
    "You do what Mother says, dear. Have I ever steered you a false course?"

    So Norman relented and went along with this, faking a bad leg (though Dr. Matthew Swain noticed, and discovered the truth, though he never revealed it publicly) until his leg "got better." Afterwards he went and got a job at the Peyton Place Newspaper, where he worked as a combination bookkeeper and circulation manager. "He worked faithfully every day and carried his pay check home to his mother, uncashed, at the end of every week." And that was basically the end of Norman's story in the book (sadly, the library doesn't have the sequel; I may end up buying it).


    So in Season 3, the same basic plotline happens: Norman gets drafted (or he intentionally goes off to war; which could work, seeing as how this is the year when Allison has disappeared; perhaps the romantic in him believes he's going after her?), but can't handle things and gets discharged for the same reasons. But Evelyn Page is mortified by her son's actions and covers everything up, manipulating/bullying him to go along with her deception. Norman is treated as a war hero when he returns to Peyton Place, which he knows he doesn't deserve.

    Instead of going to work at the newspaper (he probably ends up doing that in Season 5 or 6), Norman decides to attend the Peyton Place College, where he meets Paul Hanley. After getting to know Paul, Norman ends up confiding in him what really happened in 'Nam. Paul agrees to keep Norman's secret, knowing he could get in trouble with the Army authorities if they found out.

    But that's why (again, along with accidentally killing his mother) I think it's important for Norman to save Allison's life in Season 5. Just so he can finally get a deserved "hero" moment.


    With both Lee and Chris dead, Sandy Webber decides to leave Peyton Place for good, though Allison wonders if anything will happen to bring Sandy back, like how it did for Allison: "Peyton Place has a way of drawing people in... and keeping them in."
     
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    Also, when Paul Hanley is murdered in Season 4, perhaps it was because Lee Webber found out and blabbed that he was gay? Thus giving another reason for Norman being the one to push Lee off the bluffs the following year! :D
     
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    @Willie Oleson Btw, did you ever see the TV series "Return to Peyton Place"? It was a '70s daytime soap, supposed to be a continuation of the original TV series, though it lasted only 2 years. I can't find any clips on youtube (yet), although wiki did summarize a few key plots. One which I took interest in was Allison's plot:


    "Allison returned to town following an absence of three years, during which time she had seen life. A mysterious figure, Benny Tate, follows her and they marry. Benny, however, was suffering from a terminal disease and told his brother Jason about this, explaining he could no longer be with Allison. Instead of helping his brother, Jason followed Benny to town and took Benny's identity. Unlike Benny, Jason was very tough and treated Allison very badly. The constant beating led Allison to a drug addiction, which she eventually kicked. Nevertheless, she retained her vulnerability. She started working for the town newspaper and was involved in an ecology project.

    One day, Allison decided she had had enough and tried to run from Jason, whom she still thought was Benny. He decided to take revenge by kidnapping her, taking Allison to a cabin by the lake. There, Allison took LSD, and during a psychedelic experience, she took Elliot's gun and shot at Benny. Afterwards, she escaped from the cabin and looked for help nearby. Sometime later, she found out the cabin was burned down, with a body still inside. Allison admitted she shot Benny and was charged with second degree murder.

    To avoid Allison being sentenced, Rodney went back to the village where the cabin was situated. He met Benny and Jason's mother Zoe, who knew that Allison had actually been living with Jason, but thought that Allison was aware of this. Benny eventually confessed to the murder of his brother, explaining he found out about Jason's scheme shortly after Allison's arrival at the cabin. He traveled to the cabin to confront his brother, and following a fight, shot Jason to death. Shortly after admitting the truth, Benny died from his disease and Allison was released from prison."


    While I haven't quite decided if Benny/Jason could feature in the remake, this storyline did inspire me for the episode where Lee Webber tries to kill Allison. I'm thinking that Allison throws a party at Dr. Rossi's beach house (with his permission, of course), inviting all her close friends and a few not-so-close ones, Lee being of the latter. While there, Lee convinces everyone to take LSD. While everyone more or less blacks out, Lee then wheels Allison outside, and heads towards the bluffs to push her off.

    Thankfully, Norman hadn't taken any (though he had pretended to, just to "look cool" :lol:), and neither did Sandy (either she was aware of her husband's intentions, or she just didn't trust him enough in the first place), so they're able to go after Lee and stop him.
     
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    @Willie Oleson Have you ever seen this?

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    If a remake ever did come to fruition, I'd want to do what "Downton Abbey" did and have the actual cast play out a parody of themselves. Just to say, "We made of ourselves FIRST!" :lol:
     
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    I don't think it was ever rerun on television, so if an episode should ever appear on YouTube it would be a recording of the 1970s broadcastings.
    I have no interest in it although I probably would have watched some episodes, out of curiosity.
    But then again, I did watch the 1977 movie Murder In Peyton Place , and it was so bad I wish I could un-see it!
    Oh the horror, the sacrilege! How dare they!
     
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    I read the storylines, and while some were kind've creative, others... not so much. I hated the storyline they gave to Constance/Michael/Elliot/Selena Cross (poor girl; the first time the character gets to be on TV and she gets stuck with Dr. Rossi as a love interest - and he, after marrying her, tries to get Constance to divorce Elliot to run off with him! Yuck). But I would be curious to watch a few clips, just to see what kind of "feel" the show had.

    Hah, I only watched the scene where Constance is informed of Allison and Rodney's deaths. From that moment, I knew I wouldn't enjoy it. Because while it was nice seeing Dorothy Malone in the role again, I hated how they killed off Allison and Rodney when they had recast all the OTHER characters. I mean I can understand killing them off in "The Next Generation" since the show-makers thought Mia Farrow and Ryan O'Neal would be too expensive (except they never bothered ASKING), and the whole series was running on there being the whole original cast...

    :lol: Yes, what cheek! What insolence! They should go to their rooms and have a time-out.

    Although, I have to say, the way how they drew Betty in that one panel where Dr. Rossi and Matthew Swain are talking about her, she looks really pretty there. :D
     
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    Have you seen the 80s movie Return To Peyton Place? It wasn't great and it was all very rushed but I think it had a good atmosphere for a modern Peyton Place.
    According to wiki they had hoped to turn this reunion movie into a new prime time soap but alas, it didn't work out that way.
     
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    Hang on, are you sure you're not talking about "Peyton Place: The Next Generation"?



    That was the one I was talking about in my last post (well, I was talking about "Murder in Peyton Place" too, but still). While I did appreciate how they introduced Allison's daughter by having the old gang mistake her for her mother, I'm still bitter at how they never bothered to ask Mia Farrow or Ryan O'Neal if they'd be interested in coming back - and if they'd reduce their salaries since obviously they didn't have much to spend. If both actors had said no, then fine... but they didn't even ASK! And not only that, but they just unceremoniously kill the characters off too - AGAIN! Argh...

    But yeah, I guess they did have a good atmosphere, but I never liked how the town looked. It looked too crowded, a bit too... modern? It didn't feel like a small town, it felt too crowded. It lacked the quiet quaintness the original town had. Plus there's the fact that the new show forgot that Constance and Elliot had a SON in the original series, yet here we have a daughter who's grown up resentful of Allison's memory.
     
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    @Willie Oleson A discovery I made: someone made a map of Peyton Place (the version from the book; I don't know if anyone made one of the TV's version).

    Peyton Place Map.png

    However, since it was pretty small, and I couldn't find a bigger version, I did some re-sizing. As well as putting in some clearer text so you can make out what's what.

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    Unfortunately, there were some words that I just couldn't make out, so they'll have to remain ambiguous for now.
     
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    Wasn't she Jill & Joe Rossi's daughter in the 60s series?:lmao:
     
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    What's so funny? ^^
     
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    Also, no, I think the new writers just forgot (or ignored) that Constance and Elliot had a son because they wanted a female rivalry between their daughter and Allison's daughter. Except I don't remember it having much effect on the story...
     
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    Also, @Willie Oleson , regarding the map of Peyton Place, if you were to add in some of the iconic areas from the TV series (ie, the bluffs, Dr. Rossi's beach house, the big white gazebo, the docks, etc), where would you put them? :)
     
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    @Willie Oleson Welp, I ended up making up my own map of Peyton Place, basing it mostly off the one for the book but adding in elements from the TV series. Its *very* rough, but I think it paints a pretty clear picture (no pun intended).

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    Not only that, but this ended up inspiring me for further details on how Marion Partridge dies:

    Her husband, Charles, who was described in the book as being a pacifist, reaches the end of his rope in Season 7 and turns on his wife (I was thinking that maybe he discovered that, the whole time they were married, she was taking birth control pills - only did they have those back in the '60s?) and starts strangling her. He gets a hold of himself, however, and lets go. But a panicked Marion stumbles out of her house, jumps into her car and pulls out, zooming down Chestnut St (which was regarded in the book as the "best" street in Peyton Place, because that was where the richest townfolk lived).

    Everyone on the street hears the car, especially Alma Miles, who, sitting on her porch reading, sees it zipping around the corner onto Beech St. She hurries out onto the sidewalk to watch what's going on, along with a few other residents who hear.

    And then, as Marion floors it towards Elm St (the main street of Peyton Place), an unsuspecting car appears from around the corner. Both swerve to avoid hitting each other. The other car is fine, but Marion's car crashes right into the iconic white gazebo. Her neck is thrown against the steering wheel, breaking it.

    All along Elm St, which includes Constance, Allison, and the rest of the main cast, gather around to stare in shock at the wreckage. And of course, the man who was in the other car is looking around in a mild daze... and both Constance and Allison realize he's the man from the photograph who stood in as "Mr. MacKenzie" for 16 years.
     
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    @Willie Oleson What do you think of the idea of making the Chernak family black? Do you suppose that could work? It certainly would make Stella a bit more interesting: a 40-something-year-old black female biochemist, living in the 1960s; and she got her education despite coming from a poor background... I mean, there's Harry Miles, who's both black and a neurosurgeon, and he's from the original TV series! So that could work for Stella. Plus, I was originally thinking of keeping it so that Stella has a romance with Dr. Rossi, only now I'm thinking she instead has an emotional affair with Harry Miles, for whom I haven't been able to come up with any other storylines for the first season, poor guy. :lol:
     
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    @Willie Oleson @Toni I have come up with rough drafts for how I'd do all 30 episodes of the 1st season of Peyton Place.

    Yes, *all 30.*

    I ended up having to copy a lot of stuff from the original show, but I did change things up in an effort to make them seem more original. Besides these are only rough drafts, anyway. Also, a lot of them focus on only half of what the episode could be about, because I was too lazy to think up more stuff, and didn't want to wait any longer to share.

    So, without further ado, here is Season 1 (and I'll be posting each episode one at a time, just to see what kind of reactions they all have).




    Episode 01 - "Peyton Place, USA" - (Summer, 1962) Dr. Michael Rossi arrives from New York City to set up practice in Peyton Place; Newspaper editor Matthew Swain tells him people usually try to get away from towns like Peyton Place, not move to them; Matthew introduces Michael to his cousin, Constance MacKenzie; there's an instant spark between the two, though Constance is quick to pull away; later, Constance walks in on her daughter, Allison, lovingly talking about her day to the photograph of her "father"; Paul Cross leaves town, angry over his father stealing his wages for booze; Paul's stepsister, Selena, comes over to talk about this with Allison; Dr. Rossi sees his first patient, Catherine Peyton Harrington, and realizes she's in need of emergency surgery for her potentially fatal perforated ulcer; meanwhile, Catherine's stepson, Rodney, and his girlfriend, Betty Anderson, have sex for the first time after skinny-dipping; Rodney, wanting to brag to his father, walks in on Leslie and Julie making out on his desk; because of that, Rodney decides he can't go out with Betty anymore; as Dr. Rossi is prepping for surgery, Dr. Robert Morton arrives and tries to obstruct him from performing the emergency surgery, believing it to be unnecessary; the end result is that Catherine Harrington dies.
     

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