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If It Ain't Broke...

Discussion in 'Dynasty' started by ClassyCo, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. ClassyCo

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    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    A fairly cliche comment, wouldn't you say? But does it hold to some great truth?

    Was there any point within the original Dynasty story where there was an attempt to fix something that wasn't broken? If so, where do you believe those 'points' were?
     
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    The first episode of Season 3.

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    Yes, it seems most Dynasty fans and critics generally point to the start of Season 3 as the series' downturn into a cluttered, camp-for-camp's-sake mess. I'm on the other end of the spectrum here, too, however. I personally enjoyed the show thoroughly up until the end of Season 5. The first half of Season 6 was a mess, but I thought they "fixed it" well enough during the second half. Aaron Spelling's shows weren't ever known especially for their spectacular writing, where they?
     
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    Was that really because they wanted to "fix" it?

    I'd say the first episode of season 2. But it's a paradox, because it was time for Alexis to appear, but not because the show had to be fixed. But that's what they did.
     
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    I dunno
    Probably the season 7 "reboot" where it just goes from bad to worse.

    I mean the show WAS broken at that point, but they managed to make it unwatchable. With the season 6 "reboot" they made it better at least...
     
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    But isn't that what fix-it-if-it-ain't-broke is all about? Doing something to improve what doesn't need improving?
     
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    La Mirage. I think it looked better before than after. (that's probably not true but I wanted to say something unkind).
     
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    But season 3 wasn't an improvement, and I didn't get the idea that they were trying to do something new.
     
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    I also thought that Neil McVane's story (Adam wasn't Adam after all) was an unnecessary plot twist.
    Instead of creating suspenseful confusion, the Carringtons simply adopted him.
    So, they wanted to fix this character with another identity crisis, only to un-fix it in the next episode or so.
     
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    Again, isn't that the point of fixing something when it's not broken? That it's a step down when they thought they were doing a step up?

    I mean, that's what the phrase means, and what the OP is asking: fixing something that doesn't need it.

    Yes, Season 3 wasn't an improvement, but it was clear when the year started they thought they were indeed improving it. Someone recently quoted Doug Cramer as actually saying that they thought they didn't get the "tone" right until Season 3.

    Which is why he and his fellow producers will be suffering the tortures of the damned and beyond. For all eternity. Amen.
     
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    Right or wrong - with season 3 they felt they needed to up their "oomph" - it wasn't a retooling, it was just losing everything else.
     
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    But that means they broke it, instead of fixing it.
    I see. So it's not possible to fix something in a good way, even if it didn't warrant any fixing, like my example of S1 and 2?
     
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    I don't even pay attention that silliness. Adam has to be a genuine Carrington by blood or else there is no God. It's just stupid otherwise. How could he not be Alexis and Blake's son? Why would they even bother with that crap. That is all they could think of to do with such a good actor? Morons.
     
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    So is Adam a Carrington by blood or is he a bastard?
     
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    Of course it's possible. But if, as the thread title suggests, you fix what isn't broken, then by definition you're not fixing it in a good way.

    Yes?
     
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    But in that case it's just another "what went wrong with Dynasty" thread. It's been discussed in almost every topic.
    So I'm going to assume that the OP meant something else i.e. doing something new (in an obvious way) in order to improve it, even if it didn't feel like it had to be improved.
    It doesn't even matter whether the result is good or bad.

    And since the soap series constantly evolve, that question doesn't even make sense. There's always going to be something new, otherwise the story comes to a halt.
    You can't have your cake and eat it.
     
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    On the face of it, I can see how some people might see this as simply another forum discussing what went wrong with Dynasty. In a way, I guess it is. However, when I thought of the title, "If It Ain't Broke", I was thinking about something they did that the writers/producers thought would be for the better, but ultimately wasn't.
     
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    The problem is that I don't really know what they are thinking, or why they do it like this or that. We can only guess.

    Nevertheless, on Knots Landing, it seemed to me that they tried the comical approach for season 12, as in "let's have some fun!".
    And oh boy, did it suck! Thankfully they dropped the whole thing at the end of that season, and in season 13 the show was back on track.

    I believe Dallas did a season with many stand-alone episodes (season 11 or 12)? Yeah, I actually remember Linda Gray telling this in an interview. "We're going to do it a little different from now on" - almost those exact words.

    Do you have any examples, ClassyCo, of what you consider a failed improvement?:)
     
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    Well, if I thought it was just another "what went wrong with Dynasty?" thread, I would have been typing and typing and typing.

    But I chose one single moment when these shows took a turn which the brass seemed to think was necessary but wasn't.

    Now stop trolling me, daddy.
     
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    That "you're OUR son, no matter what" was such a mega-BARF-fest.
    And it didn't even make sense, because the only reason they tolerated this weasel was because he was their son.

    This should have been the perfect excuse to kick him out. I mean, this was Dynasty, not Little House On The Prairie.
     
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