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  1. Grangehill1

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    The latest Halloween film last year ignored all of the sequels and carried on from the first movie.

    Superman Returns ignored Superman 3.

    What if season 10 (dvd) Of Dallas just ‘ignored’ the previous season and Bobby’s death and carried on from Pam and Bobby’s reconciliation. So nothing was actually explained.

    Would that have been preferable the dream?
     
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    That's what Dallas did. They pretended nothing in the previous season happened.
     
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    You’re missing my point. I’m saying not even mention anything


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    Huh?
     
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    Yeah, I'm not sure how this is exactly different to what they ended up doing?

    The only thing you'd cut out really is Pam saying she had the strangest dream.
     
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    I think it would actually be worse. A bad explanation is better than none at all.
     
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    Here comes a shocker for you:

    We are doing a rewatch of the series and saw the shower episode just a few days ago and this time around, I didn't think the dream reveal was all that bad.

    Wait! Let me explain before you block me.

    Still here? Good!

    When watching the season that takes place in Pam's dream I think they had some of their best plots:

    Ray and Donna split up but then find out Donna is pregnant. They have to figure out what to do from there.

    Donna and Ray lose the baby and we watch them cope with this loss.

    Donna and Ray decide to adopt and we get to watch this adventure together.

    We also get Jack, and some of the best lines in the series. When J.R. tries to buy off Jack and Jack replies: "I don't really require much money in my life. What I need is fun. And I think that it would be more fun staying around to be a thorn in your side." BHWAHAHAHAHA! How do you deal with a guy like that?

    And when you watch the final episode of the season, you just know that something has to give. Sue Ellen is blown up by the Mullet Man. There is no way she survived that.

    And we hear rumors that Patrick Duffy wants to return. How do you reconcile that?

    So in the first scenes of the next season, we find out it was all a dream. Okay, I see why everybody is mad.

    But what is more disappointing is the fact that after the dream season itself, the next season is just so boring.

    And they lost an opportunity. During the dream season, Donna and Ray were the moral compass for the audience. While everybody else was making big deals and concerned with oil and money, it was Ray and Donna who dealt with sensitive and emotional issues such as unplanned pregnancy, special needs children, and adoption. It is a big loss that they dropped this altogether.

    The writers forgot the golden rule of entertainment. You can be provocative, you can be thought provoking, and you can be controversial.

    You can be anything but boring.
     
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    I think it was as or more interesting than season 9, probably more interesting. The problem I saw with season 10 is it was silly a lot of the time.

    I liked the first 6 or 7 episodes of the Dream Season - I think the name of the last episode in season 9 I like is "Winds Of Vengeance" or something similar to that. It's the night that Miss Ellie inspired Pam to want to not see Ewing Oil because she'd be robbing him of his chance to follow in his father's and grandfather's job of running Ewing Oil.

    Then Pam wanted to come in and did. How could that work? She wouldn't any more qualified to do that than she would to take Ray's old job as ranch foreman! She had no expertise, credentials, or even a love of the business! When you take on a job at that level in business you have to love it to do it well. It's a 70 or 80 hour a week job. That's just the way it is.

    Then after Bobby's resurrection, they figure, why not pretend to bring Jock back from the dead too? I know they didn't intend to go through with it, but we didn't at the time! We were all thinking, "Please don't do this." At a time when Dallas was in serious need of restoring credibility, why would they possibly have thought that was a good idea?

    I did enjoy the B.D. Calhoun storyline. It was a little over the top regarding believability but it was always exciting! As you said, don't be boring, and that storyline was anything but boring.

    That's great for a certain type of show, but I never got the idea that people watched Dallas to see sensitive social issues. I know that's not what I watched it to see. I considered Dallas a modern day Western. I don't watch Westerns for "sensitivity." I watch Westerns for the mud, the blood and the beer!

    On that I agree with you 100%.
     
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    Perhaps - even the new Halloween referenced in the original post joked about the crazy rumours that were spread after the events of Halloween II about Laurie Strode and Michael Myers, so that was in a way THEIR dream explanation.
     
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    One of the reasons the Halloween reboot worked is because it had been over 15 years since the last sequel they were ignoring. People had forgotten. Dallas was coming back immediately, so they really couldn’t just ignore what had come previously.
     
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    Well, here you go, my friend!
     
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    that screencap... The Posse Special: $12 for a ‘corral’ of 12 pitchers of beer! Man, I bet they were pretty used to the occasional brawl there..
     
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    I enjoy the fact that many of the Dallas actors started out in Westerns.
     
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    That's why it's important to make a distinction between the dream explanation and the dream itself, i.e. the season's episodes. Some of us liked what was done then and were disappointed that it was all wiped away.
     
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    Exactly, and as I said, even they ended up joking about it being press rumours and small town gossip. So you could always see the movies that happened between Halloween II and the new Halloween as a product of people's overactive imaginations - which is basically a dream scenario.
     
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    Thank you! What a great scene! My biggest regret regarding Dallas is that Jim Davis died relatively young and we lost him and his tremendous portrayal of Jock Ewing. Dallas lost a lot when they lost him. I'm glad he lived long enough to see the show become the phenomenon it did and set the record for viewership with the Who Shot JR episode.

    Have you seen Yellowstone? I bet you'd like it! It's also a modern day Western and is about a ranching family. Kevin Costner does a great job of portraying John Dutton, the father of the family who is under attack from a variety of jealous, bitter, greedy people including real estate developers, an indian chief, casino owners, media people, and politicians. John Dutton and his family are doing everything they can to protect not just their ranch but a way of life from being destroyed.
     
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    Excellent point. I never thought about it that way.
     
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    I’m not sure. I’d have to reward frame by frame practically, but was there away to make the stuff with Bobby a dream without wiping out everything? Maybe the accident happened but him dying was a dream. I’m sure if more thought went into it, it could have been better.
     
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    I have thought about this too. What if they would have

    1. Brought Bob back and said it was a dream like they did
    2. Still incorporated some of the storylines and characters from the dream season. (Went ahead and carried over the scene where the building exploded, the boy Ray and Donna adopted)
    3. Brought Mark Graison back after Pam and Bob got remarried to create some more drama and controversy.
     
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    I think something should have been continued some how - not every story wiped out.
     
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