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Jim Davis on Lucy

Discussion in 'Dallas - The Original Series' started by Herofan, Mar 11, 2020.

  1. Herofan

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    Just thought I’d share: I just saw an episode of The Lucy Show, and Jim Davis was on it as a Casino owner. Lucy was trying to pull a fast one in Vegas, and she was using the name Pamela and pretending her father was a rich oil man from Texas. It was interesting hearing him use the name Pamela and talk about the oil business.
     
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    When did that air?
     
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    I read this and thought it meant Jim Davis talking about Lucy aka Charlene Tilton

    Id have enjoyed that x
     
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    Indeed, that's what I thought too!

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    It's on youtube.



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    Jim Davis also guest starred on “The Donna Reed Show” in an episode entitled “Pioneer Woman”.
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    I can’t understand why Jim Davis wasn’t a bigger star prior to Dallas. He had a distinctive personality, and I think he would have made a great lead for a 60s tv Western. I could easily see him in a family Western like Bonanza or High Chaparral, or Wagon Train. Maybe he just liked doing the character actor who played on a lot of different shows. There were a lot of actors who did that back then.
     
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    I think that Davis, for whatever reason, didn´t attract the attention of the talent hunters in the Golden Age. Probably partly because he wasn´t a classically handsome guy, partly because those western stars weren´t only happy with one successful movie a year.

    Stars like John Wayne didn´t stop working and ventured into producing and directing too. Jim Davis (like many others known by us the American TV fans, eg Morgan Woodward, Keenan Wynn, Denver Pyle, Dale Robertson, etc.) didn´t seem to be obsessed with the movie medium, and soon went on to work in episodic TV, in all kind of shows.

    Most classic stars considered TV series as something inferior, a proof that their careers were in decline. However, Jim sounded very humble in the few interviews he gave when he was on "Dallas", but I´m sure that he must have had a personal reason for that. Maybe there is some Davis fan out there who can enlighten us...

    Of course, female stars were much more intelligent (and had a shorter movie career span) and used TV as a way to expand their careers: Lucille Ball, Donna Reed, Barbara Stanwyck... In hindsight, they showed their male counterparts that it wasn´t the medium what mattered, but the role itself and the control they could have over the product. Probably Jane Wyman and Angela Lansbury were the last ones who followed that pattern and gave their shows a touch of class (because... what would have happened to "Falcon Crest" or "Murder, She Wrote" without them...?).

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    - "Oh Constance it´s so good to see you... (alive)!"
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    I read one or two Jim Davis interviews, but this was years ago, and I don't remember details about them. He did seem humble. That I do remember. I got the impression he didn't take acting too seriously. He may not have cared whether he got work on TV or movies as long as he got work and believed in the product.

    Like @Toni and @Herofan, I'd also appreciate it if there's a Jim Davis fan here who could share some information on the subject of his career, his attitude, and why he didn't become a bigger star in his movie career than he did.
     
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    It wasn’t only female stars who realized this. For example, Danny Thomas, Andy Griffith, James Arness, Robert Young, and Dick Van Dyke, who all owned their own production companies that produced their TV series, like Ball and Reed. Fred MacMurray and Buddy Ebsen also come to mind (though they didn’t have their own production companies credited in their respective TV series).

    As for Jim Davis: he didn’t have traditional leading-man looks as mentioned above. And honestly, he had a limited acting range. That said, he had a career most actors would envy - a steady stream of movie and TV roles in the 50s and 60s. And he was perfect for the Jock Ewing role - it was right in his sweet spot. What a great way to cap his career.
     
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    I'm not good at discerning who has traditional leading man looks, but did Jimmy Stewart, for example, have traditional leading man looks? To me he looked just like an ordinary guy, but he got lots of starring roles. If he could do it, why not Jim Davis?

    Bryan Cranston looks ordinary to me, less of a leading man type than Jim Davis, yet he gets great roles too.

    I haven't seen him in a role where he had to act in a very different way from how he always acted; he seems like he just acted like himself. I've seen some actors do that and have it work. Clint Eastwood played a very similar character in the early and middle parts of his career. He had great success with that one type of character though. Maybe his looks helped. I'm guessing Eastwood would be generally considered better looking than Jim Davis?
     
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    I agree with you. However, women who didn´t look younger that their age (or who had gone under the knife) soon had problems to get good roles, Rita Hayworth comes to my mind. Despite the huge success she achieved with "Gilda", her many problems in life (romantic and others) made her look older than she really was. Not helpful was that the producers only wanted her to star in "Gilda" veiled remakes...
     
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    I forgot to add that someone like Howard Keel (who wasn't the kind of actor who won Oscars...) managed to have a remarkable career because his singing talent was unique in Hollywood. His style was very different from Bing Crosby´s, for instance (just to keep everything "in the family", if you know what I mean...).

    There were opera singers who did movies, but they couldn't act. Keel did and besides, he had charisma. This is another reason I think that he was the perfect actor to join the "Dallas" cast after Davis´ passing.
     
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    not sure if someone mentioned it above, but a big studio did try Jim Davis out as a leading man, with Bette Davis no less, and it flopped:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Meeting

    I agree that he had limited range, even within the Jock character (I often felt he was kind of struggling to get through his lines in certain situations), but man did he have presence, and when a scene was in his 'sweet spot', he was great.
     
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    I can think of one time when I thought his acting was a little suspect - when he was having the heart attack, something about it didn't seem quite right. But I thought that when Ellie had to have the mastectomy his acting was very good and it was in a tender way that I wouldn't have guessed he would have done so well.

    His "real power" scene - nobody could have done it better.
     
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    yep, totally agree! From all indications, Jim was a really good guy in real life, and I think that carries over in his more tender scenes with Miss Ellie.

    No one could nail the more 'badass' moments better, like in The Dove Hunt with Tom Owens, or walking out of the courtroom with Harv Smithfield after being arrested for the murder of Hutch McKinney: "I'm mad as hell, boy!"

    There are times where he sounds to me a bit like the kids in junior high who didn't read quite well enough to add much inflection when reading aloud - they were just trying to get the words out as they went, rather than reading ahead and adding expression. He sounds that way a bit to me in the Lucy Show role that kicked off this thread, but in Dallas, those were pretty much all inconsequential lines where he sounded like that.

    An example, to Alan Beam: "How would you like to be a partner in the Smithfield Bennett law firm?" - there are even outtakes in one of the blooper reels where he stumbles over that line over and over.
     
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    Oh, now I'm gonna have to look for that scene tonight!
     
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    I agree. I always thought he was similar in most roles. Since Jock was his most popular, that’s what I always compare it to. He played a role in an episode of Gunsmoke titled “Railroad.” I believe it was in the late 60s. For me, it was like Jock Ewing in the old west. It was Jock through and through.

    I agree with others that he did have some limitations; I thought the heart attack scene was somehow a little off, but he was a great tough guy.
     
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    Jim Davis was the star of a few series!
    Stories of the Century! and
    Rescue 8!
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