Dallas Character Jock's Portrait

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  1. Angela Channing

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    Jock's portrait was probably the most significant prop used in Dallas and it featured in so many storylines, most notably the drama and angst associated with Ellie taking the painting down at Southfork. However, after Jock died, the painting first appeared in the series in Jock's office at Ewing Oil. So how did the painting get on the wall at Southfork? Was it moved there deliberately to make Clayton feel uncomfortable after he married Ellie?
     
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    Yes, in the Season 1984-1985 with Donna Reed protagonist as Ellie Southworth Ewing Farlow
     
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    Yes, Ellie had the portrait moved from Southfork back to Ewing Oil but how did it get from Jock's office to Southfork in the first place
     
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    Good question, Angela Channing.

    It would have been bad enough if Barbara Bel Geddes took down the portait, but of course it just had to be Donna Reed who did it. (Through no fault of her own).

    No wonder people didn't like her in the role.
     
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    Donna Reed was framed!

    I'm so sorry
     
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    Two scenes stand out a lot with Donna Reed playing Miss Ellie where you think "What if Barbara Bel Geddes was acting in this scene?". The first was the taking down of Jock's portrait, and the second was Miss Ellie being at Bobby's deathbed. I can't help but think that these scenes would have been even better still if Barbara was there, because of all the history.
     
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    Excluding when it was shown with the In Memory of Jim Davis caption at the of the episode The Search, the first time Jock's portrait appeared in the series was in the episode The Phoenix in season 6 when J.R speaks to it in Jock's office at Ewing Oil.

    Painting Original Location Was Jock's Office At Ewing Oil
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    So why all the palaver later in the series when Ellie wanted to return the painting to Ewing Oil? Why would J.R. get so upset with his Mama when she want to return the painting to Ewing Oil because it always used to be there? How did it even get to Southfork when it's original location was Ewing Oil?

    Painting Miraculously Appears At Southfork For Ellie To Remove
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    Well spotted. That painting is beautiful though, so life-like. :)
     
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    Season 8 DVD did many daft continuity things like that. Most obvious was the whole story of Jenna-Renaldo-Charlie changing and the whole question of Charlie's father, completely contradicting a total of 3 episodes from Seasons 2-3 DVD. Francine Tacker's Jenna clearly said that she had just put Charlie on a plane to Italy and that Renaldo is becoming quite a good father. In Season 8, Renaldo is a complete stranger to Charlie and Jenna was never on good terms with him after their split.
     
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    An excellent observation. We forget the continuity issues which arose in Lorimar Dallas on occasion and re-casting characters, most notably Gary Ewing, Jenna Wade and Kristin Shephard. Funny how we readily accepted the changes in actors with those roles but not Miss Ellie. I suspect we were a little more forgiving only because those other characters were not as embedded into the series like Miss Ellie was. It's also worth mentioning how forgiving we were with those continuity changes in Lorimar Dallas but not when the writers of TNT Dallas attempted the same.

    We're a strange mob sometimes.
     
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    The change in Miss Ellie was the only time that an actor playing someone from the main cast was changed. Miss Ellie was a huge character in Dallas during those first 7 seasons DVD, sticking strongly in people's minds as this tough as nails, yet caring, ranch woman. Then in comes Donna Reed in Season 8 DVD, playing Miss Ellie very differently, as a glitzy oil baron's wife with a much softer character. It was a real shock to the system, and too much for some fans.

    David Ackroyd played Gary Ewing for 2 episodes, but then it was over a year before Gary was seen again played by Ted Shackelford, and then Knots Landing began with Ted Shackelford as Gary. Colleen Camp played Kristin Shephard for 2 epsiodes in Season 2, but the memory of Camp's Kristin is hardly striking. I mostly remember her for making moves on Bobby in one of her episodes. Mary Crosby's Kristin Shephard was a regular in Season 3 and stood out, being somewhat deeper in character and well into J.R.'s devious world.

    Morgan Fairchild played Jenna Wade for 1 episode in Season 2, as this devious, spoilt minx, where Charlie was explained as not being Bobby's daughter. Francine Tacker played Jenna Wade for 2 episodes in Season 3, as this ultra-confident woman with very high self-esteem, and it had been over a year since Fairchild's Jenna made her one appearance. Tacker's Jenna is someone with a firm control of her life, and even gives Pam a piece of her mind regarding Bobby. Tacker's Jenna had taken control of her situation with Renaldo, and got him and Charlie on good terms as father-daughter. Priscilla Presley played Jenna Wade as a regular from Seasons 7-11, initially playing her very well as a woman who is making do in a bar job yet is fiercely proud and independent. Yet in Season 8, all the old storylines about Charlie's father and Renaldo now being a stranger to Charlie and on bad terms with Jenna, come to the fore, contradicting past events and making it drag on for much longer. Presley's performance as Jenna was nowhere near as good from Seasons 8-11.

    David Wayne played Digger Barnes in the first two seasons DVD, but only appeared in about 4 episodes in total, while Keenan Wynn's Digger Barnes was a semi regular but not a part of the main cast. Apart from Miss Ellie, the recasting of Digger Barnes is probably the most high profile recast, but I think it worked well. Wayne showed us Digger's very bitter side and also his attempt to reconcile with Jock for the sake of Bobby and Pam at the first Barbecue, only for Jock to soon throw it back in his face. On the other hand, Wynn's Digger is more resigned to having lost the war and is caring about his family more, with the occasional hint of bitterness at Jock, but Cliff is worse with the anti-Ewing feeling than Digger by this time, which Digger has a go at Cliff for in one episode. Cliff was more bitter because he had J.R. as his rival, somebody without any pity or empathy for his arch rival whatsoever. J.R. and Cliff were always enemies. On the other hand, I think Jock always had a certain sentiment for the days when he and Digger were friends and regretted the path that Digger had chosen.
     
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    Nice turn of the words, and very clever.

    You are a cunning linguist, Tullamore.
     
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    On my current Dallas marathon, I've been following the Jock portrait situation closely. In addition to what you say above (The Phoenix was in Season 5 DVD, by the way), the first time that Jock's portrait was seen at Southfork was in Season 6 Episode 4 (The Big Ball).
     
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    Yeah. And it is seen prominently in the next episode, when Jock’s Will is being read. So that was nicely timed for it to be seen continually during that storyline.
     
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