Dallas Character JR’s Worst Deeds

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  1. Victoriafan3

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    Just for fun...

    What would be your five worst things JR ever did on the show?

    Mine would be

    1. Send Pam on a wild goose chase to the Carribean
    2. Mortgage Southfork
    3. Sleep with Holly and hurt Sue Ellen so much
    4. Set up his own mother to take John Ross from Southern Cross.
    5. Hide the info Sue Ellen had gathered on JR to make her look like she was losing the plot so he could put her into a sanitarium
     
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    1. What he did to Gary and Val when they were teenagers.

    2. Him leaving Walt Driscoll to rot when he ended up in prison, refusing to post Driscoll's bail. Bobby and Ray posted Driscoll's bail, but Driscoll went off the rails, paralyzing Mickey when trying to kill J.R, and then committing suicide. Of course, Bobby and Ray are the ones who ruined J.R.'s business dealings with Driscoll over the shipping of oil to Cuba, so you can argue that Bobby and Ray were the root causes rather than J.R.

    3. What he did to Cliff Barnes late in Season 5, faking a geological report and successfully tempting Cliff into embezzling Wentworth Tool and Die funds, leading to Cliff attempting suicide.

    4. What he did to Cliff Barnes in the Season 3 finale "Shut down every single well".
     
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    1: Having a severe lapse in judgement when he took a shine for Vanessa "Granny" Beaumont.
    2: The poor treatment of Sue Ellen over the years.
    3: Mortgaging Southfork.
    4: Offloading the Asian oil leases onto the Cartel, ending up with Seth Stone's suicide.
    5: Sending Pam on the wild goose chase looking for Mark Graison.
    6: Getting frisky with the awful Rose McKay.

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    sticking to the early years:

    1. Treating Sue Ellen so poorly. If he'd shown her more attention instead of pursuing all of those affairs, they would have had their heir earlier and she never would have strayed to Cliff and Dusty, etc. ..not to mention the humiliation and near-rape at the hands of Luther Frick. He would even treat his mistresses poorly (Julie, Kristen), leading fairly directly to their demises.
    2. Forging Jock's will to gain leverage with the Cartel
    3. Screwing the Cartel with what he knew were going to be worthless Asian leases
    4. trying to break up his brother's promising marriage at every turn
    5. Running Val out of town and not letting her see Lucy
    6. (bonus) Going away from the safari jacket and ascot look after the first couple of seasons

    I don't blame him as much for mortgaging Southfork, as that what he thought he had to do to save Ewing Oil at the time. He should have swallowed his pride and let Jock know how desperate the situation had become, though, and they could have worked out a less drastic strategy.
     
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    oh too many!!

    1. rape of laurel Ellis (yes she was dreadful but he shouldnt have) and also Holly
    2. driving cliff to attempt to commit suicide
    3. framing walt driscoll
    4. BD calhoun and middle east interference
    5. Treatment of valene and driving gary away
    6. Lisa Alden and using her to take away Christopher (im adopted) away from Bobby
    7. setting up Pam re Mark Graison and the wild goose chase to carribean etc
    8. Mortgaging SF
    9. Committing Sue Ellen to sanitarium
    10. Planting drugs on peter Richards

    oh he was his fathers son!
     
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    That does Jock a disservice, though. Jock was tough in business but he didn't do any of the above. After all he was the one who told JR early on he needed to learn the art of subtlety, and also around the time of the Asian oil leases, he told JR that he needed to leave the cartel guys their dignity.

    Perhaps when Cliff was trying to run for office, when Jock perhaps tacitly approved of JR digging for dirt on Cliff, was the only time that Jock really condoned any of JR''s antics.

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    Gosh, when you see your lists like that, there are so many different times he was awful and no wonder he was heralded as such a great tv villain. I didn’t know he did that to Laurel, I’d stopped watching it then. Also when he announced Bobby and Jenna’s engagement at the oil barons ball in front of Pam. That was so sad (and mean)
     
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    True. J.R. was like the distilled essence of Jock's most ruthless business side, but without any of Jock's good traits. Jock said that you needed to let a man have a little pride left, and even Jock occasionally forgot (Tom Owens). J.R. seemed to revel in crushing his opponents completely and utterly. Jock admitted that he didn't teach J.R. when to stop.

    Yet, J.R. is refreshing in other ways. He will tell you things straight, or at least exactly how he sees it. That is good when there are so many people in the world who will lie and spin their way through things and never tell you things straight. Jock is a more complex character, as he is both loved and hated by a lot of people. Hardly anyone loves J.R. but he has more haters than Jock had.
     
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    J.R. would move Heaven and Earth to achieve his end game but I thought what he did to Edgar Randolph was despicable. But once again credit must go to the Dallas writers for sensibly handling such a delicate matter. It proved why Dallas was at the top of its game during this time.
     
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    The one thing I think it is perhaps a little unfair to completely blame JR for is Gary and Valene leaving. Gary wasn't cut out for the business in the same way that Bobby and JR were and while JR probably didn't want him around, I think it worked out it everyone's interests - Gary and Valene's included - that they headed off elsewhere.

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    Not when Gary and Val were teenagers. Gary was running the ranch at that time. J.R. piled pressure upon pressure on Gary and Val, aiming to break Gary. Why? Because Gary was married and had a kid (and perhaps more on the way), and was a serious potential threat to J.R.'s ambitions. A potential threat is all it takes for J.R. to consider it a deadly threat, as he once said "Do unto others before they do unto you". And once Gary had broken down under the pressure and left Southfork, then Val was easy pickings for the same treatment. But while Val looked vulnerable on the surface, she got stronger with every setback in her life, and she snuck back for Lucy. J.R. sent a load of heavies after Val and ripped Lucy away from her. When a determined Val again refused to go away and took legal action, J.R. threatened to kill her if she ever returned to the state of Texas.

    As for Jock's role in this at the time. He didn't like Gary just marrying somebody of Val's humble status just 3 days after meeting her and not telling the family for months afterwards, but while Jock (unlike J.R.) grew to like Val, he still piled the pressure on Gary to live up to all his responsibilities. J.R. though, was much worse.

    True, but is that bad? Gary was running the ranch, like Ray Krebbs was when the TV series starts. Gary was far less ruthless, had an interest in different hobbies and subjects (animal welfare, environmentalism, poetry, painting etc.) that his father and brothers had no interest in, but he was stubborn and insisted on doing things his way. Gary would also run away when under pressure rather than stand and fight. This unnerved J.R. greatly. Gary did not play by the Ewing rules. Bobby, in contrast, did play by the Ewing rules, and J.R. embraced his rivalry with Bobby.

    Just remember that Dallas episode when J.R. thought that Gary and Val were coming back to live at Southfork after Gary and Val had gotten married again, and was looking very worried. When Sue Ellen then told J.R. that Gary and Val were moving to live in California, J.R. was laughing. Ask yourself why J.R. was nervous and worried about Gary and Val being around Southfork, but thought it funny that they would be living in California?

    Yes, away from J.R., but in those early seasons of Knots Landing Gary was often feeling frustrated and even bored with his lifestyle of working his job at Knots Landing Motors and Val treating him like a china doll as she was scared that he would go off the rails. I think Gary's relationship with Abby helped him embrace responsibility more. Abby had a bit of J.R. in her, but was interested in helping Gary reach his potential by pushing him to greater heights. Abby refused to give Gary the comfort blanket and security that Val gave him. In the long run, it did help everyone. Ironically, I'd say Gary was stronger than both J.R. and Bobby by the late 1980s and early 1990s, even though he still had his faults like gambling away nearly all his fortune on a Tidal Energy scheme.
     
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    I think JR learned all he could at the hands of Jock

    Tom Owens from the Dove Hunt
    Committing Jonus Culver to a sanitarium so they could steal his land, and he killed himself in the process
    The 3 Bs for business and there were a lot of those over the years
    An affair behind Miss Ellies back and deceiving her as she never knew he had a first wife
    Treatment of Digger
     
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    Digger blamed Jock for everything apart from the rain falling, if Digger had been left in charge of business it wouldn't have lasted too long.

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    True, Digger would have mostly drank the money. Maggie was correct with what she said to Pam about this. Some of Digger's situation is Jock's fault, but not all. At some stage, Digger has to take responsibility himself for being an alcoholic, and I don't think Jock is the kind of person to forget his friends.

    On the other hand, in the Barbecue episode that ended Season 1 DVD, it was Digger who was acting in the correct way, and I think Jock was the one who had ironically drunk too much beforehand at a time when Digger was completely sober.
     
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    J.R. learned these things from Jock, but he only seemed to learn the ruthless side of Jock.

    The Tom Owens situation shows that even Jock could forget to leave a man with some pride left, and that he could forget who Tom Owens even was. I think Jock tried to avoid that happening if possible, and he even apologized to Tom Owens for it at the end for forgetting. I doubt J.R. cares about the people he destroys.
     
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    Good point. Digger blamed Jock for everything and claimed he could smell oil underground. If Digger was all that talented, he certainly could have made plenty of money working with other people in the oil business. The fact is that the only time Digger ever made any substantial money for anyone in the oil business was under Jock's guidance. Digger never had any success in the oil business after he parted ways with Jock and Digger was in his twenties then! He had another 40 years or so to use his supposed "talent' for finding oil and getting rich in the process but that "talent" of his was vastly overrated because after parting ways with Jock, Digger's nose never found any significant amount of oil. If Digger had the talent he claimed to have had, he could have found oil working in a company he started himself or while working for anyone else in the oil business and the Barnes's wouldn't have been poor; they'd have been rich.

    It shows Cliff's stupidity that he considered his father a great oil man yet never realized that the only times Digger had any success were under Jock's guidance. Working without Jock's guidance, Digger was useless! Maybe stupidity is the wrong word for Cliff never acknowledging that important fact. Maybe it was just a case of severe denial. Cliff didn't want to own up to the fact that his daddy wasn't the great oilman he claimed to be. It was far easier for Cliff to blame Jock for everything than to face reality.
     
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    Besides coercing/raping Holly and Laurel, the worst thing he did was have an affair with his wife's sister and knock her up! That was pretty scandalous to say the least. Could you imagine if Jock and Miss Ellie knew that at the time?
     
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    By the time that Digger and Jock had their final parting of the ways around 1939, Digger was an alcoholic and massively consumed by bitterness at Jock. Yet, Digger would sometimes get himself sober and work. Digger just wasn't a businessman, had a sense of entitlement because he could find oil under the ground and would drink most of the money. Jock was in the business of making money and building a big powerful independent oil company, and was also in the business of being taken very seriously in terms of being a powerful oil businessman. Digger, on the contrary, thinks he should have everything because he can find oil, and he likes to drink a lot. Digger hates the business hypocrites, which he sees as mostly non-talent non-entities compared to himself. Digger ain't wrong, but if you don't play the corporate game in the slightest way in the oil business and instead have an alcoholic lifestyle then you are going to lose most of what you have.
     
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    1. Lisa Alden and using her to take away Christopher away from Bobby
    2. Being too nice to Sue Ellen
    I think Jock was, in his day, much much worse than JR. JR was just a spoiled rich man's son. But I'm still not convinced Digger didn't confess to Hutch McKinney's murder on his death bed just to save Ellie any grief.
     
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    While I think that Jock could be absolutely ruthless when business called for it, I don't think he was ever worse than J.R. Jock knows the dark arts and has often carried them out, but J.R. sees the dark arts as his default position. Jock has an instinct about the people he does business with, tends to trust his instinct and will live or die by his decisions, whereas J.R. assumes that everyone is out to get him. If J.R. has dirt on someone he is doing business with, he will tell them or remind them what he knows in order to get them to do what he wants. Jock will generally try a more friendlier approach, and will only get really ruthless when he has to and if the stakes are extremely high.
     

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