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Just finished re-watching Dallas TNT

Discussion in 'Dallas TNT' started by jeffewing, Sep 11, 2017.

  1. jeffewing

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    I just finished watching Dallas TNT again this weekend. I think it was the first time I've re-watched since it originally aired and I still have a couple questions. First off in season 2, I don't see how Christopher couldn't have gotten an annulment. He unknowingly married his adopted first cousin. You'd think that alone would be grounds for him. Secondly, I think they handled the whole Pam situation well considering what they had to work with. I get why the original series didn't kill her off, so TNT did a good job with it. I just wish we could have seen the entire letter that Pam wrote to Christopher. The third season was my least favorite of the series. I get Elena wanting answers about what JR did, but based on her interactions with Bobby in the first two seasons it just seemed out of character for her not to go to him to see what he knew about the land. In season 2, as soon as she found out what Drew did she went to Bobby. Now did they ever release who would have been the father of Elena's baby? I do remember reading that season 4 would have picked up 6 months later and that Elena would have been having the baby in episode 1. So when she found out she must have been around 3 months along. It was hard to tell what the timing was throughout season 3. Could she have been pregnant throughout the entire season and didn't know it making Christopher the father? Just some things I was thinking after re-watching. What do you all think?
     
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    A leaked script from Series 4 reveals The Mad Hatter, Cliff Barnes to be the father of Elena's child. Cliff gets Elena impregnated while she is in a drug induced state. Elena dies from child birth and the child is raised by Bobby and Ann assuming it's Christopher's. On his death bed Bobby receives an aging visitor, Cliff. Bobby and Cliff share a quiet moment. With his last breath Bobby tells Cliff he is happy that the son of Christopher and Elena brought peace to the family. Bobby is comfortable that his entire estate including Southfork will be in good hands with the young man. Cliff leans in. "Bobby. He isn't a Ewing. He is a Barnes!" Bobby looks blank. With his last breath he realizes The Mad Hatter has it all.

    Of course I just made this up but who knew what Cynthia & Co., had installed for us if another series was green lit. :)
     
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    More badly written rubbish we wouldn't want to watch which gives a big two fingers up to the superior Lorimar Dallas which came before it!

    Yes I know the Lorimar Dallas had it's faults too in those later seasons but it's still a helluva lot more watchable than what the Cyntax Dallas served up. :(
     
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    I know some people liked TNT Dallas, especially newbies, so I hope it may have spurred them on to seek out Lorimar Dallas just to get a feel of what made this series so good. My only issue is we're left with that horrid cliffhanger of Christopher Ewing being blown up. That is an unforgivable act to leave Dallas fans with, both old and new. Just sad really.
     
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    There were a lot of new original Dallas dvds on Ebay. I wonder if its the newbies looking up the original that is driving the demand.
     
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    At least as he burned, he left Bobby and Elena a note saying, "I love you both". Used his adoptive mother's pad and pencil.
     
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    I'm sorry but I find that really sick.

    Killing Christopher off in a similar vein to Pam was one of the reasons I never watched the third & final season. :(
     
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    I still find it so frustrating that they allowed CC to film that extra scene, at enormous cost, when they kinda knew already that they had no intention of commissioning another season.

    What a complete waste of money and a total disrespect of the viewers & the character of Christopher.

    That said, Jessie, lovely looking though he is, could send the biggest insomniac to sleep for a month.
     
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    I think that was the idea with a who is the daddy storyline. It's been so long since I watched it that I barely remember who she slept with.

    I wonder how a season 4 would have played out but the show was all over the place. I thought it was great to kill off Christopher, have no issue with this but just wish it had been part of a planned storyarc and not a knee jerk to the fear of being cancelled.

    I thought was a little amateurish and the pieces should have been in place for a much bigger fall out from his death. As it stood his death would have upset people but that would have been it. There was no slice of the company up for grabs with his demise as far as I recall.

    Obviously CC didn't care about Christoper at this point but neither did the audience.

    The show was really setup for a battle between Christoper and John ross and that would have been great. Why they strayed from this may have been down to the lack of energy from Jesse who was completely sidelined in the final season.

    Despite the fandom for Josh Henderson I do feel he was also the shows problem. He was just too young looking and the group of youngersters played out like teens and not 30 plus year olds. They lacked a side that could be taken seriously.

    I enjoyed it and there was moments of brilliance but it was moments rather than a continued energy throughout. Linda Gray was my take away highlight from the series and it was worth it just to see Sue Ellen portrayed in a way I had hoped for back in the 80's.
     
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    I partially agree with that. I guess these days it would take a 45 y/o actor to play a 30 y/o character.
    They looked too young to have such experience, but then again times have changed and maybe it's not so unusual anymore that young people are in charge of companies.
    But these are usually the whizz-kids, like the Facebook guy, or in Dallas case, McKay's nephew.
    And Christopher too, if you think about it. And they made such great effort to make it look real, with the car racing and all that.
    John Ross excelled in bluffing and doing it the easy/illegal way, and sometimes that's an effective way to get things done.

    Elena and Drew grew up with Papi's (unsuccessful) oil drilling, so that doesn't seem extremely far-fetched.

    They were all very involved and dedicated, and that made it look a little more believable.

    And let's not forget that Bobby the ex-playboy knew scooby doo about the oil business, and yet he came on board of Ewing Oil just-like-that (*snaps fingers*).
    And who could ever forget the image of Pamela shuffling papers when she "worked" with Cliff?
    Eventhough we never saw it, Pamela Rebecca practically grew up at Barnes Global, because that's where daddy Cliff was.
     
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    Okay Willie, I'll toss this one at you. One of the most glaring errors of TNT Dallas was Christopher had no idea about Pamela Rebeeca, you know, his first cousin he was about to marry. Here she stands next to daddy, owner of Barnes Global, a billion dollar company. Please tell me not one of the Ewing clan had been keeping tabs on Cliff Barnes and his business interests. At some point there would be an image, or video, news article/story of Cliff and his daughter and their wheeling and dealings running a very public, highly successful global company.

    And where was Afton in all this mess? She may had harbored ill-feelings towards JR but the Afton I know would have visited Bobby and told him Cliff and their daughter were up to no good.
     
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    They should never have retconned out JR Returns.
     
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    We have a new angle that proves that TNT Dallas sucked:D

    To be honest I hadn't even thought about it, but you're right. It's unlikely that they had never seen Pamela before, especially in this age of social media.
    It's a soap-flaw that I've seen on the classic shows too, there's no excuse for it, and how much it annoys you depends on your willingness to suspend disbelief.
    I don't think she could have been just any girl, it had to be someone who would trigger the old Barnes-Ewing feud.

    Although I can't say I know many children of real life tycoons. Paris Hilton and...??
    The Ewings were no longer in the oil business, Barnes was doing his own thing and apparently they had no reason to keep in touch.
    I'm not even sure if Barnes Global was such a profilic "celebrity" concern - they had casinos and that sort of stuff. To me, it didn't seem particularly glamorous, if anything I thought there was something shady about it.
    It is possible that Cliff kept her out of the spotlights.
     
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    I dunno
    In all honesty, I never had a problem with that, though oldDallas fans pretty much figured it out the minute PamBecca was announced as a character.

    With that said, I don't see why they couldn't just have it out in the open and play on the whole "is she evil or isn't she" divide in the family like they did with the original Pam, just actually have her have a motive to get into the family.

    I've never had an issue with them skipping the movies, though I guess they could've been more ambigious about it.
     
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    I agree. Why not have her and John Ross hook up? Somewhere away from Southfork and Dallas John Ross and Pamela Rebecca actually fall in love and marry without the family aware of it. They arrive at Southfork where the extended family gather and John Ross makes the announcement. A scene between Cliff and Pamela Rebecca leaves us - the viewer - whether she is the "fox in the hen-house" or has actually become smitten with John Ross.

    I could have lived with that. Besides, this plot had already been created recently on Revenge. Creating the Rebecca Sutter character didn't have the shock value as intended.
     
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    I agree that it would have been better to start the show with John Ross and Pamela Rebecca getting married. However I think there should have been a big Southfork wedding with all the drama and with all their parents in reluctant attendance! ;)

    Well I think you've just put your finger on a part of the problem with Dallas TNT. They didn't plan things properly ahead. They just went along with it and threw in plot twists at the last minute without evaluating the consequences of their plot move. :(

    IMHO killing off Christopher was a dumb plot move and it reeked of desperation. They tried to cut Jesse loose to cut the budget for season four and to push the ratings up with their "Which Ewing will die" promotion. But it backlashed on them since some fans hated having a Ewing killed off and as a result haven't even bothered watching season three because of the way it ended! :(

    The original Dallas was carefully planned out a whole season ahead with the bible of some 1000 pages. Somehow I doubt Dallas TNT had the same careful planning.

    I think the first season was probably the best plotted out of them although I didn't like Chris marrying his cousin.

    Whatever plans they had for season two they had to change due to Larry's death.

    Then as for season three I think they tried too hard to fill the void of JR by making every character a bit evil like JR and that was a concept that just didn't work. To make characters interesting they have to be original and not just be a carbon copy of some other character.

    So I think Dallas TNT would have benefitted from better writing and most of all from having a show runner who had actually watched and loved the original Dallas.

    Because as it was now CC and her team thought they had great plots cooking and then when the fans reacted negatively to some of their "brilliant ideas" they tried to fix it with last minute solutions.

    One clear example of this is the character of Frank. The fans hated how she changed Cliff's backstory so Frank was killed off.
     
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    I think the ultimate nail in Dallas's coffin was the unfortunate passing of Larry Hagman. The new series never had that character you love hate to the level of JR Ewing. They were just too flip floppy with John Ross and Christopher. They needed to make a decision, which one was good, and which one was the JResque character. Once that decision was made, stick with it.
     
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    Another unwanted character. What was the point? I mean given Cliff had picked this kid up off the streets somewhere Frank should have appeared in Lorimar Dallas, right?
     
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    David Jacobs upon hearing Dallas was returning believed John Ross should have been the nice guy and Christopher the bad guy. I could have lived with that. Far too predictable to have John Ross the spitting image of his daddy. When we left the Ewing family in 1998 anything could have happened to Christopher to make him the dark prince. The problem was I don't think Jesse could have pulled off that evil son of a bitch trait.
     
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    I just don't understand why they didn't do that. The conflict created with Bobby, John Ross & Sue Ellen would have been far better - and when JR's brought into the equation it could have been spectacular - Christopher would have been in line to have Southfork (if CC hadn't screwed that particular storyline up) and the drilling rights, it would have been such a better battle with Bobby fighting his own son on so many different conflicts and levels.
     
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