Just finished re-watching Dallas TNT

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  1. Rove

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    I tried to watch TNT Dallas with fresh eyes Willie and could easily accept THIS WAS about the next generation but the story the writers created by screwing around with Lorimar Dallas was inept. I'd personally like to know the justification behind their thinking on this. Surely the producers/writers must have had some concept this would not sit well with original fans. You don't alienate that fan base straight out of the gate. It would explain why so many viewers (U.S.A.) deserted the series after the first episode screened. Then we had the ripple effect as that same reaction was felt around the globe. You cannot deny this.

    Some will argue (possibly yourself) that we got 3 seasons of Dallas. Sorry not good enough in my view. I didn't wish for Dallas to go out with a whimper again after experiencing that the first time around with Lorimar Dallas. I longed for strong story-telling., that connection I felt with Dallas up until "Swan Song." If the responsibility of a re-imagined Dallas was to fall on the shoulders of John Ross and Christopher that is fine but we cannot ignore the fact JR, Bobby, Sue Ellen, Ray, Jenna and others were just as relevant, if more so. I'd bet my house that most of those viewers that initially tuned in were itching to see those characters previously mentioned. Not that _______ Ramos family.

    The writers/producers/showrunner clearly had an agenda from the get go regarding their version of Dallas. Their agenda failed, spectacularly. They and others stand behind that failure. I appreciate your defense of TNT Dallas, clearly you enjoyed it and that is to be commended. There were some elements I liked, for example; the kitchen scene between mother (Sue Ellen) and son (John Ross). It reminded me what could have been.
     
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    Well, they hadn't seen the older John Ross and Christopher yet so they couldn't remember them.
    And we know what it looks like when they don't have a plan at all. I'm thinking of certain seasons of Dynasty and Falcon Crest. It's not pretty.
    I'm not suggesting that everyone else should like it too, I merely question the validity of certain specific complaints.
     
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    Well turning Cliff into a baby killing monster without explaining why he's turned out that way was unforgiveable IMHO.

    Also when fans who have loved Bobby since 1978 suddenly stops liking him that's a problem too.

    True but having them all in that house, as unrealistic as it may be, was a part of the Dallas magic. I think that's why CC had JR move back in and then John Ross move back in. Because they needed to have more people living at Southfork than Bobby and Ann.

    I'm sorry but as much as I tried I found it hard to relate to them. I think the one I did relate to the most was probably Elena.

    Yeah changing the show so much that it alienated the original Dallas fans was a really bad move on their part. :(

    I didn't mind the show focusing on the next generation. I liked most of the new characters and I think they were perfectly cast. :)

    I wish they had skipped the love switch though and built up stronger love couples from season one with John Ross and PamBecca getting married instead of Chris and PamBecca. It would have made it easier to root for them.
     
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    The only real issue I had and have with TNT Dallas is the blatant contradictions of established history. I had no problem with the new characters or the direction the story took.
     
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    Yeah there was never enough character scenes. The old show was very good at building character.

    The writers of the old show clearly knew what they were doing. The writers on the TNT show were clearly just winging it!

    The Ewing family was ill served, there were far too many extraneous characters taking the storyline off the core family. I don't think Cidre wanted to use any more characters from the old show & preferred to make up her own. She didn't get what Dallas was about, which is the Ewing family.

    A shame, she just wasn't the right person to show run Dallas. :(
     
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    I wonder if Killing off the Dallas Characters,

    allows for fresh faces in the next Return series [​IMG]

    bit like forward planning. :hat:
     
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    Any showrunner who wants to cast Dolly Parton as JR's daughter & who has Daffy Duck as an Executive Story Consultant is quite obviously cuckoo not to mention quackers!

    Showrunners need to be sane, talented & with drive & passion for the show they produce. Cynthia Cidre was a complete loop the looper, talentless, who drove the Dallas fans up the wall with her mess of storylines & the passion she had for drug cartels!

    Let us hope if Dallas is ever to come back that somebody who is familiar with the first Lorimar produced series is chosen to helm it. Just keep Cidre away from Dallas. I hear she's interested in reviving a show called Falcon Colgate! Daft bitch, it's Falcon Crest! ;) :)
     
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    This is clearly evident in Season 5 (per DVD release), the season I'm watching now. Last night I watched "Waterloo at Southfork." Miss Ellie calls a family meeting to oust JR as President of Ewing Oil. Which she fails. This episode however illustrates why Dallas was so damn good. The Ewing family did not hesitate to turn on each other when needed. By next morning JR joins Miss Ellie beside the pool for breakfast. Despite the turmoil the previous evening, peace was on the table the following day.

    Miss Ellie was sensational in this season.
     
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    Miss Ellie was terrific in season five, however this is a direct result of the departure of Jim Davis who had passed away after the last season.

    It's very clear, writing wise that Miss Ellie's character was beefed up in season five to give her more of a presence toward's JR's antics. Jock wasn't there anymore & as JR's Mother, Miss Ellie obviously felt it was her duty to keep more of an eye on JR in case he got out of hand.

    The loss of Jim Davis as Jock certainly altered the dynamic of the show slightly. However the show was still very well written. The rot only set in writing wise after the departures of Susan Howard & Victoria Principal at the end of season ten, when Leonard Katzman got total authority as showrunner. :(
     
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    I have to admit that there is some of the good ole snappy dialogue in the TNT Dallas. I just watched the scene where Cliff shows up at Southfork. Now, to do this justice, imagine Larry Hagman speaking these lines with his his trademark Magnificent Bastard attitude:

    J.R. Time has not been kind to that face. But I do recall the smell of brimstone and crazy.
    Cliff: I was trying to get Bobby to sell me Southfork. You know, right some of the wrongs the Ewings caused my family.
    J.R. Southfork has already been sold to a conservancy
    Cliff: You're taking that pretty well.
    J.R. I'm a new man. You should try it.
    Cliff: I will never stop fighting for what is rightfully mine. And I kow you are the same way.
    J.R. I'm a changed man. Evidence of that is you are not being wheeled out of here with two broken legs.

    Reminded me of the good old days!
     
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    Somehow, I take it that when Pam was blown up in that infamous car crash/explosion, O-R CBS Dallas never recovered from that-- is that what you're saying?
     
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    Beefed up is an understatement. Upon her return to Southfork while Jock took a detour the character of Miss Ellie suddenly became a force...and I liked it. Her stance against the Cartel in JR's office was a behold to watch. There is JR, standing behind momma while she gives Cliff and the Cartel a bloody good serve...Ewing style. I also enjoyed watching JR placed in this position of weakness.
     
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    I'm afraid so. That whole Mummy Pam storyline where she disappeared from the hospital & Bobby didn't want to do anything about it was all out of character for both of them. It was truly the beginning of the end for a once great show. :(
     
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    I guess then, also, that the huge explosion that ensued in that car crash would signify what would happen to O-R CBS Dallas henceforth-- would that also be correct?
     
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    To me it ends with Miss Ellie’s replacement - handled wrong, unlike his they handled Jock’s death. Then Bobby's death and Pam’s explosion was the final straw. They handled Jim Davis’s death just fine but went to pieces after that anytime they had to deal with the exit of a major character.

    BBG: leaves for Europe with Clayton. Mentioned returning for unseen holidays and events until the actress is well enough to return.

    PD: to save the family the pain of hope, yet unable to “pull the plug,” Miss Ellie and JR arrange the “death” of Bobby who lays in a comma until the actor chooses to return.

    VP: goes away to recover with Bobby, Christoper and Cliff mentioning visiting her all the time as they also try to get on with their lives.

    Doesn’t seem that difficult.
     
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    The writers & Producers always seemed to take the plotlines & storylines to extreme's when any of the original cast left. Usually it was to the detriment of the show & had characters behaving out of character from what we would've expected. At least Donna had a reasonably good exit from the show. Pam less so!

    I blame Leonard Katzman as under him JR became a buffoon. He sanctioned off that ridiculous Mummy Pam storyline! Dallas lost it's way big time from season eleven onwards. There were a few nice moments but ultimately the storylines were never as meaty or as satisfying as the show's first five years. This was Dallas in decline & whilst the range war & the oil tanker collision in the Gulf were some of the better storylines, there weren't enough of them to stop the show from sliding down to obscurity where nobody wanted to watch it any more! :(
     
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    Can I also say that what they did to Christopher in the third season finale was extremely distasteful!

    Killing the character off in a similar vein to his mother with the car exploding with him supposedly inside it has to be one of the very worst plotlines ever done in Dallas.

    Cynthia Cidre is an insensitive bitch! Pam was horrifically scarred in a car explosion & she writes that finale with Chris being blown up!

    Thank gawd TNT cancelled that show! :mad:
     
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    And now you'll never ever see another Dallas again. Never.
     
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    Only if you assume that it was expected that the actors would return; it was not. In my opinion, replacing BBG was the right call, although perhaps the choice of Donna Reed and the subsequent changes to the character were not.

    The "death" of Bobby was also supposed to be permanent. However, your solution is a good one and could have been used as an ex post facto explanation.

    Ironically as it turned out, VP was the only one of the three whose exit was permanent but after being burned by Duffy, they were reluctant to rule out the possibility of her returning thus leaving the character in limbo.
     
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    That's an interesting perspective and one which I've never fully explored. When an actor decides to leave a successful show why is it necessary for the writers to kill off that character? In the case of Bobby we all witnessed the flatline. Why not create another scenario where he was visiting an offshore platform and there was an explosion and he was reported as missing. In effect this creates the drama - much like Jock's - and a resolution when Patrick decided to return.

    Same goes for Pam's exist. A simpler scenario could have Pam just fed up with the whole Ewing/Barnes fight and she decides to leave Dallas. She could easily have moved to New York, Los Angeles or the south of France.
     
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