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    The feminists and #MeToo movement are only interested in the "evil men victimizing saintly women" narrative. And that's all they want you to be interested in, too.

    The only way they could get behind and sincerely promote a movement about, say, the abuse of boys is if they could find a way to re-route it into directing financial resources, and providing additional attention, for adult women.

    Rose herself simply lacks the proper prescription.
     
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    Now they're coming after art. The SJW faction of the left is starting to sound like the puritanical evangelicals they despise.

     
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    All forms of religious, political or social fundamentalism always wind up at the same, final point: "kill everybody except for me".
     
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    #MeToo movement lawmaker investigated for sexual misconduct allegations
    California legislator cut national profile as activist against sexual harassment.

    By CARLA MARINUCCI

    Updated 02/08/2018 05:41 PM EST



    SAN FRANCISCO — California Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia — whose high-profile advocacy of the #MeToo movement earned her national media notice — is herself the subject of a state legislative investigation in the wake of a report that she sexually harassed and groped a former legislative staffer.

    In December, when Time magazine announced that “Silence Breakers” who spoke out against sexual harassment were its Persons of the Year, Garcia’s face was prominently included in the art accompanying the cover story.


    But Daniel Fierro of Cerritos told POLITICO that in 2014, as a 25-year-old staffer to Assemblyman Ian Calderon, he was groped by Garcia, a powerful Democratic lawmaker who chairs the Legislative Women’s Caucus and the Natural Resources Committee.

    He said she cornered him alone after the annual Assembly softball game in Sacramento as he attempted to clean up the dugout. Fierro, who said Garcia appeared inebriated, said she began stroking his back, then squeezed his buttocks and attempted to touch his crotch before he extricated himself and quickly left.

    Fierro said he never reported the incident, which occurred years before the current #MeToo movement and new whistleblower legislation to protect legislative staffers. But after he mentioned the issue last January to Calderon, his former boss, the matter was then referred to the Assembly Rules Committee, which launched an investigation.

    Fierro is not the only one claiming improper advances by Garcia. A prominent Sacramento lobbyist says she also accosted him in May 2017, when she cornered him, made a graphic sexual proposal, and tried to grab his crotch at a political fundraiser. He spoke to POLITICO on the condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisals.


    The lobbyist, who represents a major industry association, said that Garcia appeared to have been drinking heavily at a fundraiser hosted by Governor Jerry Brown for state Senator Josh Newman at the de Veres bar in Sacramento. He said he was heading out the door in part to avoid the assemblywoman — who had been increasingly “flirtatious” and had called him on a few occasions before for late night drinks which he repeatedly declined.

    She spotted him and said,“Where are you going?” the lobbyist said.

    “She came back and was whispering real close and I could smell the booze and see she was pretty far gone,’’ he said. “She looked at me for a second and said, “I’ve set a goal for myself to f*** you.”

    At that point, Garcia “stepped in front of me and reaches out and is grabbing for my crotch,’’ he said. That was “the line in the sand,” according to the lobbyist, and he stopped her. “I was four inches from her, eyeball to eyeball -- and I said, ‘That ain’t gonna happen.’”

    The accusations against Garcia come at the close of months of high-profile activism on the issue of sexual harassment by the assemblywoman, who became one of Sacramento’s leading voices on #MeToo issue.

    Garcia was one of hundreds of Sacramento women who signed a letter with the hashtag #WeSaidEnough protesting harassment, and told the New York Times that she had been the repeated victim of sexual harassment by men in the Capitol in the course of her legislative work.

    “Multiple people have grabbed my butt and grabbed my breasts,” she told the Times. “We’re talking about senior lobbyists and lawmakers.”

    When Time magazine included her photo in its Persons of the Year issue, Garcia tweeted, “I didn’t know I was part of the story,’’ saying it was an “awkwardly humbling experience. I’m proud of this work, and proud of the company I’m in.” She added the hashtags #MeToo and #WeSaidEnough.

    Jessica Levinson, a professor of law and political ethics at Loyola Law School of Los Angeles — and the current president of the Los Angeles Ethics Commission — said that, if proven true, the accusations against Garcia threaten to seriously damage the nationwide movement that has been credited with bringing the issue of sexual harassment into the open.

    “Hypocrisy knows no bounds and no partisanship, it crosses all party affiliations,’’ she said. “To the extent that these are substantiated claims, there’s a picture of Cristina Garcia as a hypocrite in the dictionary.”

    The stories underscore how “sexual harassment is not OK, period — regardless of whether it’s by a man, or a woman. And frankly, this threatens to set the movement back — because when you have one of the faces of this movement facing these allegations, that’s a real problem.”


    “People will say, well, everybody on both sides does bad things — but it goes to who can we really believe anymore?” Levinson said.

    Fierro provided POLITICO with copies of his correspondence with Elizabeth H. Foster, the human resources coordinator for the committee regarding the case. He said he sat for a lengthy interview last Friday with attorney Vida Thomas of Weintraub Tobin, the law firm hired by the Assembly Rules Committee to investigate sexual harassment complaints.

    “Every complaint about sexual harassment should be taken seriously and I will participate fully in any investigation that takes place,”said Garcia in a statement Thursday. “The details of these claims have never been brought to my attention until today. I can confirm that I did attend the 2014 legislative softball game with a number of members and my staff. I can also say I have zero recollection of engaging in inappropriate behavior and such behavior is inconsistent with my values.”

    Teala Schaff, spokeswoman for Garcia’s office, said the assemblywoman was aware of the report to the Assembly Rules committee, but was not made aware of the details of the complaint.

    In coming forward, Fierro said he felt the same doubts that women have expressed in similar situations. “I thought, 'What did I do?'” to bring on the sexual aggression, he said.

    Unlike many women, he said he never felt physically threatened, and always felt supported by Calderon, his boss. But he said he feared repercussions from an influential assemblywoman who could affect his fledgling communication business. “Who wants to be that guy that Cristina Garcia is going after?” he said.

    Fierro said he would not be surprised if Garcia does not even remember the groping incident, saying she was so intoxicated that when he saw her later that night at another event, “she had to have other people hold her up.”

    Two Assembly staffers who were Sacramento colleagues with Fierro, who is now president of his own Southern California firm, Presidio Strategic Communications, confirmed to POLITICO that he related the incident to them immediately after the episode.

    Lerna Shirinian, the communications director for Calderon, said “I remember it very clearly, he told me as soon as it happened..he was in shock, I was in shock — but the culture was very different back then,’’ Shirinian said, noting the admission was in confidence and she had to respect her friend’s decision not to report it.


    Another former legislative staffer, who spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisals, said Garcia was known to speak about sexual issues to young staffers in the office, sometimes in graphic detail, and occasionally to be a hard drinker in Sacramento.

    He confirmed hearing Fierro’s account, saying he remembered the incident because Garcia was partying and drinking more heavily at the legislative softball game in celebration of her birthday. Records show the Assembly Legislative Softball game was August 20, 2014; Garcia’s birthday is August 22.

    The Sacramento lobbyist never formally reported the matter out of concern for his clients.

    But his account of the groping incident was corroborated by another high profile political operative in Sacramento, who declined to be named for publication. She said at the time the lobbyist was both angered and “humiliated” by the encounter, and disturbed that his sexual rejection of Garcia could have implications for his industry.

    Both she — and the lobbyist — believe it may already have.

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    I didn’t know I was part of the story. That I was pictured and added to a timeline of this reckoning. It’s an awkwardly humbling experience, but I am proud of this work and the company I am in. I hope you’ll pick up a copy of @TIME &read about the bravery.#MeToo #WeSaidEnough





    The lobbyist said he has seen Garcia in an intoxicated state on several occasions around Sacramento, sometimes appearing to need help; he cited an evening late in 2016 when he said she emerged from an Old Town Sacramento bar with staffers, and urged him to come with them on “a pub crawl.”

    He said he’s been particularly been bothered by the incident in the wake of Garcia’s national fame as a feminist leader on the #MeToo movement.

    “I watched her jumping into this, and she’s Joan of Arc,’’ he said. “She’s pushing against people who have done a lot of things -- some worse than her, and some not.”

    Fierro also pointed to the rise of the #MeToo movement as the impetus for finally admitting the incident to Calderon. He said he was assured by Assembly Rules that his complaint would be confidential — but within 48 hours of it reaching the committee, “I was getting calls” from outside sources who heard about it. “There was clearly a a leak.’’

    Soon, he said, “people were starting to ask me about it….I was getting nervous.”

    After relating his experiences to the Assembly’s hired attorney last week, Fierro said he was also concerned that a significant part of the questioning appeared to be focused on about “How did it get out? Who did you tell?”

    Still, he said, “I honestly think the Assembly tries. I spent a long time in the institution, and I love it, and I’m usually a cheerleader for it.”

    The California legislature has moved to expedite sexual harassment reports against lawmakers in the wake of activism by the #WeSaidEnough organization last year, when women reported their complaints were being swept under the rug, delayed for months or dismissed.

    Under a new process instituted this year, the Assembly Rules Committee refers complaints deemed valid to an independent law firm — legislators say they believe that will speed the process of assisting victims.

    Ten allegations of sexual harassment are pending before the Assembly, according to Speaker Anthony Rendon’s office.

    “There is no set time frame for findings to be issued” in those cases, said a spokesman for Rendon.

    But Fierro notes that even with additional protections mandated by the passage of the landmark whistleblower legislation last week, he is not protected. Since he no longer works for the legislature, Fierro won’t receive legal counsel or any help in his effort to report the assemblywoman’s conduct. Nor will he have any protection from retribution in the insular world of California politics, where former staffers, strategists, lawmakers and lobbyists often cross paths.

    “If you are not an employee, there is absolutely zero protection — and Sacramento is a revolving door,’’ he said. “People don’t stick around long, and in that situation, once you’re outside — it’s discouraging.”

    He says his case underscores how legislators must face the reality that sexual harassment is occurring on both sides of the aisle -- and by both sexes.

    “I have female co-workers who have gone through this — and it absolutely needs to be talked about,’’ he said. “The problem is when Cristina is the one, it’s for everyone to roll their eyes..and it takes away from the issue...and the credibility.”
     
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    I just saw an episode of the 1958-61 CBS Western series called Wanted: Dead or Alive w/the great, late Steve McQueen that, IMO, is incredibly relevant to these crazy times of #metoo and #timesup-- the first-season episode called "Rope Law," OAD Jan. 3, 1959 on CBS. How is this episode relevant? Well, it's an excellently-done (at least IMO) 25-min. Western treatise on mob mentality in the Old West, and how this #metoo/#timesup bull gipp is sort of like the 1800's Old West rope law of sexuality; specifically, the mob can say someone is guilty of something (in this episode, murder) and deserves to be hung then; they'll usually skip the "hear 'em" and go straight from "hunt 'em" to "hang 'em."

    After all, even Judge Milton C. Hardcastle (the great, late Brian Keith) in the pilot of Hardcastle and McCormick in 1983 on ABC said, "Hunt 'em, hear 'em and hang 'em-- that's the way!"

    This #metoo bull gipp, however, is like the lynch mob/posse in that Wanted episode-- the people behind it won't listen to reason, and as such, as I said, that Western episode that I just saw is incredibly relevant to our times today.
     
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    2 men accuse Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia — a vocal #MeToo ally — of sexual harassment

    Editor’s note: Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia announced Friday morning she is taking a voluntary, unpaid leave of absence while the allegations are investigated. Read more here.


    SACRAMENTO >> Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia, one of the most prominent voices for women’s rights in the California Legislature, has been accused of groping a young legislative staffer in 2014.

    Politico reported that the former staffer, Daniel Fierro of Cerritos, said Garcia, a Democrat from Bell Gardens, cornered him after the annual Assembly softball game in 2014 while he was cleaning up the dugout. He said Garcia, who appeared to be drunk, stroked his back, squeezed his buttocks and tried to grab his crotch before he was able to leave.

    Garcia acknowledged in a statement sent to reporters that she was at the event but had “zero recollection” of engaging in any unacceptable behavior.

    The allegations rocked the capitol, which for months has been grappling with a movement to stamp out a culture permissive of inappropriate sexual behavior — often, acts perpetrated by powerful men against junior female staffers and lobbyists.

    The claims against Garcia could harm the very cause for which she carried the mantle, said Jessica Levinson, an ethics and election law expert at Loyola Law School.

    “You could never buy this much good opposition to the #MeToo movement,” Levinson said. “It’s such a blow because it gives the opposition so much fodder. It’s kind of a Greek tragedy that they’re taken down by the exact kinds of allegations that they’re fighting against.”

    Fierro did not report the incident at the time. But in January — inspired by the #MeToo movement — he told his former boss, Assemblyman Ian Calderon; Calderon reported the incident to the Assembly Rules Committee, which launched an investigation, Politico reported.

    The political news site also quoted an unnamed lobbyist who said that she sexually propositioned him last May and tried to grab his crotch at a political fundraising event.

    “Every complaint about sexual harassment should be taken seriously and I will participate fully in any investigation that takes place,” said Garcia in a statement sent to reporters in response to inquiries Thursday. “The details of these claims have never been brought to my attention until today. I can confirm that I did attend the 2014 legislative softball game with a number of members and my staff. I can also say I have zero recollection of engaging in inappropriate behavior and such behavior is inconsistent with my values.”

    Shortly after the story broke, Sen. Connie Leyva, D-Chino, who is vice chairwoman for the California Legislative Women’s Caucus, issued a statement calling on Garcia to take an immediate leave of absence until the investigation is completed.

    “As a vocal ally of the #MeToo and #WeSaidEnough movements, I am shocked and disturbed at the very troubling allegations related to California Legislative Women’s Caucus Chair Cristina Garcia,” she wrote. “… Anyone proven to have sexually harassed or assaulted another person, regardless of their gender, should be held accountable for their actions. I commit to continue fighting to rid the Capitol and our state of the pervasive culture of sexual harassment, assault, and overall disrespect.”

    Garcia also is a member of the Assembly Select Committee on Women in the Workplace.

    Garcia, 38, a native of Bell Gardens in Los Angeles County and a former math teacher, was elected to the Assembly in 2012. She has filed papers to run for re-election in the June 5 primary, but also has been talked about as a potential state Senate candidate.

    She was one of the woman who signed an open letter in 2017 decrying sexual harassment of women by powerful men in California government.

    The accusations are the latest against current and former state legislators.

    Assembly Democrats Raul Bocanegra and Matt Dababneh, both of the San Fernando Valley, resigned in late 2017 amid sexual misconduct scandals. State Sen. Tony Mendoza, D-Artesia, is on leave during an investigation into allegations of inappropriate behavior toward young interns.

    Others facing accusations include Democratic Sen. Bob Hertzberg of Van Nuys and Assembly members Autumn Burke of Inglewood, and Republican Assemblyman Travis Allen of Huntington Beach. who is running for California governor.

    Burke admitted to investigators that she — according to a document made public Feb. 2 — “participated in an inappropriate conversation regarding anal sex with capitol office staff.”

    Source: https://www.dailynews.com/2018/02/0...rcia-a-vocal-metoo-ally-of-sexual-harassment/
     
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    It'll never get traction. In fact, here, some Australians are arguing that "she can/he can't" because the power dynamic "is just never going to be the same."

    So apparently women get a p**** pass literally:
     
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    Joe Rogan pretty much said the same thing on his podcast. He was talking about guys who've been unwillingly groped by women, but said it's not "scary" the way a man groping a woman is. His reasoning was that a woman has a real fear of rape when a man does it. He likened it to his daughter playfully punching and kicking him. He said it's "silly," but not a real threat like it would be if a man were to do it. It's strange to live in a world where men assaulting women is bad, but women assaulting men is met with "at least she didn't rape you."
     
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    Milo, contemptible though he often is, isn't always wrong, especially when addressing this topic. But he's pointed out that no one is really interested in men being victimized -- even by women in professional power over them -- or by males assaulted by other males (even if the MeToo gang was happy to take down a 'powerful' man like Spacey).

    The only narrative they want is: evil men victimizing innocent women.
     
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    I guess this belongs in this thread....
     
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    I don't know what's worse; liberals who are outraged over cultural appropriation, compliments, and mistakenly confusing two movies, or the liberals who kiss ass & apologize profusely.

    I hate the "pussified" stereotype of liberals and millennials, but professional victims who are outraged over everything prove why that stereotype exists.
     
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    I was just reading an old book by the great, late Upton Sinclair called The Brass Check, written in 1919 (in which he exposes how ultra-conservative newspapers were way back when, especially the Hearst papers), and I was just wondering: could anything that Upton said in that book (at least in your opinion) apply to today, especially about this #metoo business?
     
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    Amber Tamblyn is now asserting that a "Hasidic man" tried to deliberately run her and her daughter down in a van on the streets of New York, then tweeted for witnesses to come forward.

    She's being called out on her racism. But I'm assuming her feministic righteousness will trump that.

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    In her tweet, Tamblyn wrote Hasidic men in NYC have attempted to harm her and other women she knows in the past.

    “But this is not the first time a man from the Hasidic community in NYC has attempted to harm me or other women I know,” Tamblyn tweeted. “Any woman riding a bike through South Williamsburg can attest. I hope this guy is caught.”

    Social media users criticized Tamblyn’s tweets that appeared to target members of the religious Jewish sect. Some of her followers said she was making generalizations about a large community of orthodox Jews.

    “I don’t understand your tweets. For someone who is so politically woke, I don’t understand your generalizations of the Hasidic Jewish community. It sounds racist,” one person tweeted.

    “Let’s be rational here, Amber Tamblyn. Firstly, I am so glad you and baby are ok! But to target the Hasidic community like that – especially given the real antisemitism out there – is generally irresponsible,” a social media user tweeted.

    “You can’t be both ‘woke and a bigot. Choose one,” another person tweeted.

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    I like her father and her husband, but Amber herself seems to be a lip-smackingly vile, she'll-get-'er-done, narcissist.

    I'm glad the little girl wasn't hurt.


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    So, basically, it's not enough that Harvey Weinstein was punished for actually physically doing things to them; they want men to be punished for merely admiring them too much or thinking about them in the wrong way?! Absurd!
     
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    It is absurd. Fortunately, there are many women who also see through the transparent misandry of third wave feminists.
     
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