Netflix to screen documentary on Madeleine McCann disappearance

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  1. Zable

    Zable Soap Chat Well-Known Member

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    About the media:

    I don’t think the media camped outside 24/7. I suspect they only appeared like a rugby scrum whenever there was a pre-announced event, such as an announcement or visitation by bigwigs or they got wind of something new. I’m more inclined to think they were mostly holed up in their watering hole or, if bored on a quiet day, were wandering off some place to do something. I gather the international media who had not forged long-time contacts within the PJ and who couldn’t speak the lingo took to making a certain bar their work base: in the mornings, they paid someone multilingual and with access to 'inside info' to translate the local & Spanish news from a variety of publications, then piggybacked off that information to write the regurgitated stuff more incorrectly but more colourfully during the afternoons.

    Robert Murat was an arguido before the McCanns. He was staying at his mum’s house. For two intensive days teams of officers tore up her entire garden and the surrounds, covering every centimetre of it. The media never found out at the time it happened, according to Dr Amaral.

    The entire time Dr Amaral was the case coordinator, he was holed up in an apartment in the Ocean Club resort and apparently the media never discovered the hideout. No mean feat that, not getting spotted entering or leaving, considering he was living there months on end with a dedicated team of men, apparently all packed in like sardines.


    Maddie’s vanishing:

    I feel she was removed the night before the Press arrived. I suspect she was removed either just before or immediately following the alarm being raised by Kate. Before anyone other than the Tapas 9 were around. Possibly, the alarm was raised earlier than told to police. Some folk who spoke with the PJ had thought that.

    Btw, a resort worker told police he’d been collecting laundry and had seen a man behaving suspiciously near the stairwell of Gerry’s block around 6pm that Thursday. He later looked at photographs and picked someone out – who turned out to be Neil Berry. Hence the reason why British police interviewed Neil, who denied he’d ever been in that block. Also, he didn’t recall resort workers collecting laundry at that time.

    I’ve seen aerial pictures of large sections of the resort and surrounds posted online, allegedly taken the day (possibly just in the morning) after the alarm was raised about Maddie. The streets were deserted. Not a soul in sight. Many of the night searches had been called off between 4-4.30am. Some still searched till 5amish. Perhaps folk (from both resort and town) were sleeping in.


    Strictly speculative:

    I think Maddie was in bed that Thursday night when the parents left but died not too long after. That Kate was unaware of what had really happened until a later date; which possibly could have been as early as the pre-dawn hours of the next morning – circa 4.30am when she set off with Gerry to search by themselves (or so Kate thought). That alone-time might have been when he confided in her what had happened to Maddie. I think both were genuinely distraught from the beginning, only for different reasons. One knowing their child was dead. The other believing their child had been taken.

    Gerry deleted his mobile phone call list for an entire block of time for that Thursday night. Kate was selective in the calls she deleted. What first alerted the PJ to this deletion was that Kate had left undeleted a phone call to Gerry but it did not show on his call list. So there was something that night itself that needed to be concealed. Perhaps the help of a third party; maybe a relative.

    Gerry could have moved Maddie from A to B himself, with B being outside apartment G5A – because the cadaverine ‘trace’ lead out the patio way (which is not the front door that the Sun marks as “patio door”). B would have been a place somewhere close by, as Gerry would have been on foot. He might have contacted a third party to move Maddie from B to C a place somewhat further away, perhaps taken in a vehicle. When he was able to rent a car, perhaps he and Kate were able to make a second to final pilgrimage….

    Whatever the case, it is sad. So terribly sad.
     
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  2. Zable

    Zable Soap Chat Well-Known Member

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    If in 12 years, they’ve never projected heart, then why expect that they suddenly would? It’s hard to change the human psyche and hard to believe folk will suddenly change their minds. Participating in TDoMM would have invited only continued odium for the McCanns, IMHO.
     
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    After watching this series during the last week this is exactly how I felt. Far too many people made money out of a little girl who vanished. There is something really distasteful about this whole sorry episode. And why do the McCann family get defensive about a series which puts a fresh focus on Madeleine's disappearance? To me that is rather odd behaviour.
     
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  4. Sarah

    Sarah Super Moderator Staff Member Original Member Since 1998

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    No need to apologise @Zable - I guess I'm just hopeful she will be found alive one day. Stranger things have happened. Look at Natascha Kampusch and Elisabeth Fritzl.

    I'm really sorry to hear about Eddie :( Those dogs, any dogs are stars in my opinion.

    I don't know what to believe - the documentary didn't reveal anything that I didn't already know from reading about the case. What I will say though is that nobody, not her family or Madeleine herself for all the age of her, referred to her as Maddie. She was always Madeleine. :innocent:

    Part of me does continue to believe that the parents did do it - and are deflecting it away from themselves by creating this media storm. Who knows for sure. Either way I don't know how they have been able to continue on.
     
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  5. Zable

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    Which multi-millionaire is paying for the continued search Pete? Are you referring to the Brian Kennedy featured in TDoMM?

    I’m under the impression that he’s not, though he might well be a loyal supporter of the Madeleine’s Fund.

    My understanding is that this BK stopped funding the private investigations (on behalf of the McCanns) into Maddie’s disappearance some 10-11 years ago.

    Clarence Mitchell, the long serving McCann family spokesman, gave this statement to the Press back in 2009 on March 6th at an event at the Oxford Union, where he spoke about his career:

    “I was working for the government when the news of Madeleine’s abduction broke. I was asked to go to Portugal to help with the media frenzy that was developing. In September I decided I wanted to work full-time to help the McCanns with their campaign so I left the government and Brian Kennedy stepped in to pay my salary. Some months ago Brian Kennedy withdrew from funding it and so the Helping to Find Madeleine Trust is now paying me to help continue the search for Madeleine. “

    A few days earlier, March 1, he’d told the Independent newspaper that he was being paid a 28,000 pounds sterling-a-year retainer from the Help Find Madeleine Trust for his PR job.

    What I don’t understand is why Mitchell refers to the Help Find Madeleine Trust. Did it exist separately to the Madeleine’s Fund (the fund that folk donate to)? Does anyone know?

    Madeleine’s Fund is a not-for-profit company. Not a charity. http://www.findmadeleine.com/about_us/madeleines-fund.html

    My understanding is that the Brian Kennedy who is listed as a member of the board of Madeleine’s Fund here is Kate Healy McCann’s maternal uncle. Some media have identified him as Brian Healy. Healy is his brother-in-law’s family name.

    I don’t know if K&G did pay off their mortgage with the money this company received from the public, Pete, but it really should be a non-issue. One of Madeleine’s Fund’s stated objective is “to provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine’s family”.

    If folk have donated money to this fund without doing their due diligence & don’t like the fact that Maddie’s immediate family can draw on the money received for their personal use, then that’s their problem & hang-up, IMHO. It’s clearly stated beside the site’s “donate online” button that “your donations will be used within the guidelines of the fund”. They should check out those guidelines.

    I kinda know what you mean. At my family home, we had 3 generations of dogs. Months after I moved out, the grandma dog died. I went back to bury her, removing her collar and licence first. That collar with its licence hangs on my front door knob – has done for over 20 years. So a part of the furniture, I sometimes forget it’s there.

    Then, milady, you do not know that Baby Crèche nanny Charlotte Pennington told police Madeleine had introduced herself to her as Maddie. :)

    That Charlotte is said to be the very same Charlotte Pennington who later played Libby Bailey in Kiwi soap Shortland Street.

    I call Madeleine Maddie as I knew a Magdalene in Kindy and primary school. Calling Maddie by her full name conjures both up at the same time. I prefer not to have memories of the two intertwined.
     
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  6. Sarah

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    Madeleine would say 'My name is MADELEINE' to anyone who called her Madeleine apparently @Zable :) So I don't believe Charlotte.

    Do feel free to introduce me as 'Milady' however ;)
     
  7. Zable

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    The child thought folk were deaf? :innocent:

    No wonder she asked one of her parents why that parent wouldn’t come when she cried. Or, so the PJ were told by a little bird.

    It left the PJ scratching their heads, because Kate and Gerry each then claimed she’d said it to them. But they couldn't get their stories straight as to which one of them it was. Meanwhile, Kate’s uncle’s wife, Janet Kennedy, was telling police that K&G’s parenting style was not to let the child keep crying.

    Yes, it’s hard to take dear Lotte seriously when she tells the Daily Mail one thing and the Dispatches programme another within mere weeks of each other.

    She told DM in Sept 2007 she saw Maddie, the twins, and their parents on the evening of Thursday, May 3rd: she was helping serve the children’s high tea at the Tapas and it ended later than normal at 6pm because everyone was having a jolly good time.

    In October, she told Dispatches (Searching for Madeleine) that she’d read a story to Maddie that Thursday. Then, “around lunchtime. That’s the last time I saw them together as a family.”

    Go figure. To which media did she lie?

    Or, did DM, to help out Team McCann, with the help of Charlotte (or, maybe without her knowledge) concoct a credible but false sighting of Maddie by someone outside the Tapas 9 who had sufficient familiarity with Maddie to positively recognize her? ….Charlotte knew Maddie because the Baby Crèche was next door to the Mini Club – the two crèches shared common physical space – and Charlotte would participate in Mini Club activities during the hours that the 2 infants in her care had naps.

    What do you think, milady?
     
  8. Zable

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    Maybe, Pete. I can’t speak to Kate’s motives for not responding to 42 questions out of the 49 that I know of that was asked during her interrogation as an arguida; at which her lawyer was present, btw. But since you reside in Portugal, you must know that under its laws, unlike mere witnesses who must answer the questions put to them, an arguida or arguido has responsibilities and rights, including the right of silence.

    For the arguido interviews, Kate was questioned before Gerry was, that same day in September 2007.

    However, by that time, each had already given 2 witness statements; on 3 different days in May & Sept.

    IMO, by the time of the arguido interviews, whatever damage that could have been done to K&G –arising from giving differing replies to questions asked + their statements being at odds with others: the one by the apartment cleaner, for instance, over where the cots had been during the week – had already been done.

    Kate maintains, to this day if I’m not mistaken, that at the time she found Maddie not in her bed, the bedroom window was open. That window has a fixed pane, and a pane that slides. (So a person only has half the width of the window for entry or exit.) Kate told police she saw the window opened to the left.

    Silvia Batista, the resort’s maintenance & services director who’d acted as interpreter between Gerry and GNR first responders, told police she’d noticed that the room’s window was shut; and said Gerry had explained to them that he’d shut it because of the twins were still asleep in the room. He told them that when he’d been told of Maddie’s disappearance, he’d found the window and shutters open and curtains moving in a draught.

    I think it’s normal for family members to have their prints found on windows, be they on the pane, sill or frame. On Wednesday, the apartment cleaner had cleaned the window. Of the family members, only Kate’s fingerprints (not her palm print as said on TDoMM) were found on the window in Maddie’s room. Forensic examination of the window and bedding showed that gloves hadn’t been used, according to Dr Amaral in his book. I ask: did Gerry really close the window? With what?

    The arguido interviews were opportunities to demystify matters. Kate for some reason was advised to stay silent. Who knows if Kate or her lawyer knew beforehand that Gerry would be opening his mouth all the way through his arguido interview/interrogation.

    Aside:

    TDoMM mentions the legal battle the McCanns launched in Portugal against Dr Amaral (and others). It was over Dr Amaral’s book. I forget exactly what was said, it’s a blur and I can’t remember if TDoMM wove in the libel suit or not. I think it did, as if everything was all one case. ….I know I noticed TDoMM simply posted at the end of that segment that Dr Amaral had won in the Appeals Court. And, I was miffed. Because it hadn’t included a couple of lines to say something about the Portuguese Supreme Court’s judgment & final verdict it rendered after reviewing its own judgment.

    That Last Terrible Judgment (as Gerry characterized it) came in late January, 2017, 3½ months before the 10th anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance. Production company Pulse Films clearly had time to mention it, given that it ended TDoMM with the church service on the 10th anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance.

    So, to say what TDoMM didn’t make clear, or chose not to: the McCanns as a family (the twins included) brought 2 lawsuits against Dr Amaral. One sought a book injunction (among other things), the other sought damages for libel arising from the publication of the book and a Portuguese documentary that was made based on it. The McCanns lost the book injunction case in the Appeals Court, and the libel case in the Supreme Court, the highest court in Portugal.

    Aside to the aside:

    Testimony was heard from Trish Cameron, Gerry’s sister, who said that Kate had been devastated to be made an arguida.

    Another person who testified was K&G’s trauma psychologist, Alan Pike. He’d first met and counselled them on May 5th 2007 in his capacity then as a crisis counsellor and had developed that professional relationship with them over the years. He said they’d given him permission to speak on their behalf.

    Alan told the court that Kate had suffered a second trauma (after the trauma of having her daughter vanish) when she viewed the documentary based on Dr Amaral’s book.

    He testified that second traumas were worse in their impact than the original trauma. Asked if wouldn’t being made arguida have been the second trauma, the psychologist replied “no”, explaining that K&G had come to know Portuguese laws and were expecting it; and, in fact, Gerry had wondered why they hadn’t been made arguidos earlier!

    Gerry sounds like he was all for “hey, man, bring it on!” while Dr Amaral sounds like he regrets police took the kids glove approach against the Tapas 9, not asking at the start for wire-tapping and personal surveillance as he legally could have.
     
  9. Zable

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    Revisiting....

    The company’s full name: Madeleine's Fund Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited. Incorporated on May 15th 2007. Registered with: Companies House (England & Wales).

    Along with it, but not set up by the McCanns, was another sort of fund….

    On Sunday, May 13th 2007, two days before Madeleine's Fund was registered, the News of the World offered a 1.5 million pound reward for info leading to Maddie’s safe return.

    NotW said 2 types of sources would feed the reward monies: “pledges” made by organisations and people & actual "donations". It published the number of a bank account for donations to be paid into.

    NotW promised that if the reward wasn’t paid out, that portion that comprised donations would be shared among 3 children’s groups: Barnado’s, the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children and Childline. Just before midnight that May 15th, NotW posted on its website that celebrities had also donated to its fund, ballooning the reward amount.

    Then, on July 11th 2011, the 168-year-old NotW died ingloriously, done-in by a massive phone hacking scandal: between 2006 and 2011, it had illegally intercepted messages for or listened-in to phone calls of an estimated 4,000 people.

    There was been no official word on what happened to the reward money.

    It’s been claimed that:

    _a Press officer for News International (as it was known then), which owned NotW, stated in a reply to someone’s email enquiry that “the funds raised by the appeal” had been paid out earlier that April – into Madeleine’s Fund.

    _both Barnado’s and the NSPCC said they did not have any dealings with NotW regarding being made the beneficiaries of the donations if the reward was not paid out to an informer. So that appears to have been the unilateral decision of NotW (or its parent company). And, somehow, there was a change of mind, but the public weren't told.

    The phone hacking scandal which engulfed NotW led to the Leveson Inquiry, among other things. This was a judicial public inquiry into the ethics, culture and practices of the British Press, which was heard over 2011-2012.


    Re: circa 4.30am. My bad. Kate’s diary says that search was at 6am.

    That diary of hers became a case in point during the Leveson Inquiry. K&G managed to have themselves heard there.

    The diary was kept between April 28th 2007 (the start of their PdL holiday) and July 31st 2007. ….Gerry told the Leveson Inquiry that Kate had actually begun it 2 weeks after Maddie disappeared: circa May 17th then – which means the start of the diary, if not more sections of it, are ‘catch-up notes’.

    Gerry’s sister, Philomena, told UK’s The Sun that it was she who gave the idea of a diary to Kate, to give to Madeleine when the child was found. Reportedly, she told Kate:
    “…we have to prove to Madeleine how much we looked for her and how much we love her.
    “That wee girl will be thinking, ‘They're not looking for me. My mummy, daddy and my aunties – they don't love me because they can't find me.’
    “I was just thinking about how insecure Madeleine would be, so Kate has been keeping that journal faithfully every day.

    "She's been writing down everything that we've been doing so we can prove to Madeleine that we have worked so hard to try and find her, that we've put our lives on hold to search for her and show our love for her is unending.”

    Kate told the inquiry that the personal diary was seized by the PJ at a time when K&G were staying in the PdL villa they’d rented, and it was returned to her within 48 hours.

    TDoMM briefly mentions Dr Amaral’s claim of British political pressure. It also highlights the Leveson Inquiry, and features former The Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie in that segment. But, if memory serves, the doco doesn’t bring up Kate’s diary. A pity that.

    That diary contains some evidence about how K&G had wanted Maddie’s disappearance to be managed. For instance, entries on May 23rd, 2007 say:
    _"Left a message for Gordon Brown to call us in order to increase the political pressure". (Mr Brown was then prime minister-in-waiting.)
    _ "Gordon Brown called and spoke with Gerry – very sympathetic and gave strength. Somewhat emotive feeling afterwards." (The call came just 3 hours later, apparently.)

    Cherie Blair and, at a later date, hubby Tony (still PM) were among those who called offering support. “Just ask” seemed the theme.

    Other entries include the visit by the Lisbon-based British ambassador John Buck to their Ocean Club apartment in PdL on May 4th 2007. ….Dr Amaral says in A Verdade da Mentira that Mr Buck also visited the PJ office in Portimao that morning; where someone overheard him speak on the phone, saying the Portuguese police weren't doing anything. ….As well, some British diplomatic staff who’d served in Portugal at that time have said Mr Buck gave them instructions which shocked them: to the point that they felt they need to cable home to higher authorities, and were instructed to keep up the pressure.

    Other entries in Kate’s diary mention foto-opportunities given to the British Press, with pre-arranged walkabouts & visits to places: to applease them because the British Press were upset that K&G had returned to the UK at some point during their Portugal stay without them being informed by the McCanns’ PR team.

    We know these things from the diary because the Portuguese daily Correio da Manhã was the first to serialize it in 2008, with headlines unflattering to the McCaans.

    Then, in September that year, the News of the World, claiming to have obtained a copy of the diary from a Portuguese reporter, published excerpts. ....Kate told the Leveson Inquiry the wording of her diary entries in the NotW felt like it had been translated from Portuguese. Gerry informed the inquiry that a Portuguese judge had told the PJ the diary was not connected to the case and the judge had ordered the PJ to destroy any copies.

    Left unspoken, if memory serves, was how that pro-McCann Portuguese reporter who supplied NotW with its copy got a copy for him or herself.

    At the time of publication, the NotW claimed it was publishing the diary excerpts with the purpose of showing the British public how “Her words [Kate’s] destroy the litany of lies told by Portuguese cops to paint them [K&G] as cold and calculating.”

    Kate told the Leveson Inquiry that NotW had not sought her permission to publish. The BBC reported that she'd told the inquiry she’d felt violated.

    Daniel Sanderson, the NotW reporter who wrote the news article that contained the excerpts told the Leveson Inquiry he would apologize to Kate. He said he’d assumed one of his bosses, who was “in daily contact” with McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell had done the needful.

    If memory serves Kate did not bring up the serialization of her private diary by Correio da Manhã during the inquiry.
     
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    Revisiting....

    They comprised 9 adults + 8 children, aged 4 and younger. Namely:

    _Dave & Fiona Payne + 2 children

    _Diane Webster (Fiona’s mum)

    _Russell O’Brien & Jane Tanner + 2 children

    _Matt Oldfield & Rachel Mampilly + 1 child

    _Gerry McCann & Kate Healy + 3 children​

    The Tapas 7 = All the adults excluding the McCanns.


    Aside


    When Maddie vanished abroad, the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office considered her to be a missing child and not as a child who had been abducted.

    ‘Missing’ was her status; and may still be, despite more than 7 years having passed (the time that UK law say needs to lapse before she can legally be declared dead). I commend TDoMM’s makers for allocating a portion of the doco to discussing missing children.

    When Maddie vanished, the PJ officially listed her as the 9th child missing in Portugal.

    However, according to Britain’s Telegraph, she was not ‘recognised’ as such by the Portuguese Association for Missing Children (APCD). In its news report of Dec 8th 2007, the Telegraph gave some details of what the incoming head of APCD, Paulo Pereira Cristovao, had said to 24 Horas, a Portuguese daily.

    Reportedly, Mr Cristovao, who had been in the PJ, said “I was asked what I thought about inviting the McCanns to the APCD. I said no, because they're suspects …She is (the ninth child on the PJ's missing people page) but the case involves a criminal investigation which is still on the boil, with the parents as suspects.”

    According to the Telegraph, Mr Cristovao told 24 Horas: “When the parents told police that they went to dinner and left the children at home alone, they confessed to the crime of abandonment and should have been charged on that first day … The penalty of abandonment is at least three years imprisonment,” he stated reiterating previous calls [where from?] for them to face prosecution for their actions.

    First, K&G confessed to no such crime: why would Mr Cristovao have said that they had? Unless, what he’d really done was state that in his opinion/judgment abandonment had been the crime they were confessing to when they'd said what they said.

    Second, leaving your children alone at home when you’re out to dinner sounds like nothing more than what would be considered child negligence in the UK. Why would it be child abandonment in Portugal?

    Most countries draw a line in the sand between child negligence and child abandonment. Portugal, I understand, doesn’t distinguish between the two, but takes the high road, so to say, by making abandonment the crime; like an all or nothing deal. Which may be why some perceive Portugal as being lawless, for not seeing as crimes what would be considered crimes in other places.

    My understanding of what is Portugal’s idea of child abandonment is one where a child is deliberately left alone with the intention that it comes to harm. (Please, if anyone knows this to be different, let me know.)

    Dr Amaral observes in A Verdade da Mentira that it isn’t easy to arrest someone in Portugal. For instance, the crimes for which K&G were made arguidos didn't carry custodial sentences.

    If Mr Cristovao offered 24 Horas any reasons why the McCanns deliberately wished their children harm, and why those reasons should have been obvious to the PJ/GNR that first day, or even any information how the concept of abandonment differed between the 2 countries, then the Telegraph didn’t report it.
     
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