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S2E17 How Two-Faced Can You Get

Discussion in 'Dynasty 2017 Episode Threads' started by Daniel Avery, Apr 20, 2019.

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Is this recast real, or a dream?

Poll closed May 5, 2019.
  1. Real

    3 vote(s)
    12.5%
  2. Dream

    7 vote(s)
    29.2%
  3. Dunno

    14 vote(s)
    58.3%
  1. James from London

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    Agreed.

    Yes!

    Ha!
     
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    Alexis is a very opportunistic, amoral person - and people like her ususally don't expect other people to be better than them because they don't understand what it's like to be decent a person.
    And eventhough she didn't ask for this I can see why she would appreciate this upgrade. An advantage is an advantage. Oh, and it's a crazy show, of course.

    The blown kiss was a nice detail, there's something old-fashioned coquette about it and therefore a very un-Fallon thing to do.
    I can't remember any blown kisses from the classic soaps, but it reminded me of a similar gesture by Ruth Galveston when she "handed over" her son to the Empire Valley cartel.
     
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    I'm the one who voted for "love it!" - just to balance things a little bit out. :D
     
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    I appreciate that they are making the most of Nicolette's unexpected departure. That's creative soap writing.
     
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  5. Daniel Avery

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    I don't know who keeps adding these polls onto the episode discussion threads, but if I'd done a poll, it would have been "Is this real, or a dream?" because, as someone else pointed out, her air-kiss to Adam (the man who put her there) had a certain dream-like quality. On the other hand, it might have been the only way the director could engineer a lingering shot of her face that seemed natural, since they needed the viewer to have the chance to check things out and allow the realization to set in. The added touch of NS's voice dubbed over the scenes (which could easily have been recorded before she left since the dialogue was pretty much what you would expect in such a scene) added to the dreamy/unreal quality, since I don't think I've ever seen a lookalike/plastic surgery story where they had the replaced actor do the voice of the replacement. It's always a "complete" replacement (unrealistic though that may be), with the facial reconstruction somehow being accompanied by voice change, height/weight changes, and differing hairstyle/fashion choices.

    Anders seems to be distanced from a lot from the action, at least in comparison to how he was controlling things in season one. If this is Alan Dale trying to stay out of the more ridiculous plotting, then so be it. But it's a shame, since the Carringtons could use his ability to sniff out the trouble before it ruins them. He should have been digging up dirt on Cristal 2.0 and her ambiguously dangerous relatives from the minute she showed up on the doorstep. He also should have been tracking Steven's movements during his time in 'Paraguay' just to be sure he was safe (especially once he found out Steven was his son). If he had been, he would know more about Adam's role in Steven's current state, and would have been onto Adam when he arrived at the mansion. But Anders seems to be taking a much more 'hands-off' attitude with the family, more than likely for the sake of plot than Dale not liking what the show has become.
     
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    Assuming it was, in fact, unexpected.
     
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    Another fault on the showrunner/producer/writers part. There is no argument Peach Dynasty is acknowledging original Dynasty but they're ignoring their own history. A prime example of this is Anders. He cast a shadow over the Carrington household in Season 1 and yet mostly ignored in this season - unless of course his character was required to develop another outrageous plot. Since the announcement that Steven was in fact fathered by Anders nothing has come of it. The latest installment with Anders teaching Sam how to defend himself is a case in point. Nothing was said of Steven.
     
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    But it explained Kirby's history, and Alexis' part in it.

    He's very busy right now, taking care of security and dumping bodies in the lake and whatnot. After all, that's what butlers are supposed to do.
     
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    About Kirby, she's not the "psycho" teased in the end of season 1. And thank God.
    I think the writers didn't' have a real direction for the character, they just wanted to "enhance" the season finale cliffhangers with her arrival. Anyway, it's nice that she's getting sweeter and sweeter, and that she's not the bitch I fear she'd be. I wonder if she will be Adam victim, like in Original Dynasty.

    About the ratings of this episode :
    The CW saw Dynasty reveal the new Alexis Carrington, carrying it to an 0.2/1 and 1.06 million audience.

    Source : https://deadline.com/2019/04/friday-ratings-fox-abc-last-man-standing-1202599263/

    I was also looking at the season 2 ratings. And the highest rated episodes are the one I like the less (The Paraguay episode, and the Oz one)... It's depressing.
     
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    Here’s what Amy Sutherland aka “burned Alexis” had to say on Instagram.
    “It ain’t over till it’s over.”

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    Nothing against Amy but I don't believe she had any chance of taking over the role from Nicolette. If the producers decided on a recast they would have gone for an established name - someone to pull viewers in.
     
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    Let's not forget training Sam in the finer points of martial arts. The problem is Sam could be easily disarmed with burnt champagne and Osetrova Caviar :D
     
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    Fallon's attitude toward Liam should be a huge red flag to him. The flirting at the end is cute and harmless until she flips again and completely forgets about listening and communicating and he's hurt by her again.
     
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    I hope not. I hated that in the original show. I'd rather *this* Kirby knows how to deal with Adam.
     
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    As the saying goes "every flag needs a pole".

    That said, I find angry Liam more interesting to watch than the ever-smiling lovey-dovey Liam.
     
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    ...Oh no, I just imagined Liam and Fallon reenacting the scene where the original Jeff tries to strangle the original Fallon. :lmao:
     
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    Cristal tells Sammy Jo that the whole family is in great danger.
    "Including me? Does he know that I'm in the process of a divorce?"

    So selfish:lol:
     
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    Yes. And Psycho Adam seems more obsessed by Fallon and Jeff anyway.
     
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    Well, he's gotta get over his sister-obsession *some* time...
     
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    Jeff has a sexy voice. Maybe he should cover a Barry White classic in Club Colby!
     

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