Discussion in 'Australian & New Zealand Soaps' started by JROG, Sep 12, 2017.
Oh, God, I've never wanted any character murdered as much as I want Susan.
If my memory serves me correctly, later era Susan (the one with the new head) is a bit more exciting than the original model. Alas, you've a few hundred episodes of the current version to get through first.
David wants to repaint the house! "It looks a bit pokey!"
And Beryl insists it looks just fine.
They're toying with us!
Well if anything is going to make a house look pokey it's paint colours of various shades of shit.
Her opinion is invalid because she thinks her hair looks just fine.
So who's still watching and where are you all up to? I am 40 something episodes in now.
I'm on episode 43. Things got busy, so I haven't watched in an entire week. Another marathon session will soon commence! Beryl's brown walls are calling out to me.
We are up to about the same place now. I was the same didn't watch for over a week then had a binge the other night.
I've just stumbled upon this amazing playlist of library music used to score Sons And Daughters and a number of other Aussie shows (think Prisoner and early Neighbours).
Now I want to track down and own every piece in it. But where the heck would one start with such a project?!
I take it we can't post spoilers on this thread? Shame if so, as there are some classic, unintentionally hilarious episodes and cliffhangers worth posting here - especially one involving a certain cast member's shocking encounter with a vacuum cleaner......!
Some really lovely pieces of music there... Shame they are all but dead now.
I bit the bullet and started watching. Somehow within a week I've zoomed through up to episode 28. I really didn't remember or expect a cheap and cheerful Aussie soap from 1981 to be quite as fast moving and addictive as it is and all the better is the fact that (so far) it still isn't missing any of the beats with the characters. The central concept of the Melbourne/Sydney split and hazy history between some of the characters has meant that I'm pretty much beside myself when certain characters meet for the first time or confront each other. Patricia/Fiona is definitely up there on that score.
I find Susan and Kevin/Lynn pretty dreary so am FFing through most of their stories and don't feel that I'm missing anything... Interestingly although I remember finding Beryl quite endearing in a frumpy sort of way, she's really pissing me off on this watch. Passing her opinions on everything and the terrible, terrible advice she was doling out to Susan to basically shut up and be a housewife. Fascinating contrast in the limitless ambition of David's first love (Patricia) and the complete poverty of ambition in the woman he ended up with (Beryl).
My concern is that this first stretch of the show is so taut and rich because it was planned out meticulously in advance. One the months roll on, I'd expect the machinery of running a soap opera to start poking holes in the show a little bit.
Going in for another little binge tonight. Just have to say how much I really hate Susan again. The way she carried on about that little kid playing with her letters is just THE WORST. Who the f**k cares about your letters to your murdering jailbird husband? Nobody! Certainly not that little kid with the train set. If you are so worried about the damn letters why don't you do what normal people do and keep them some place private where nobody would be able to see them. But no... That would be too normal for that piece of shit, crying sad sack troll. She has to have something to moan about and couldn't possibly let a kid play in her house without screaming blue murder and being a grade A asshole. I want Susan to burn to death in her dirty skirting boarded house. But I will just bide my time and wait for the re-cast. Hopefully she's not such a sour faced moan of bitch.
In other news does anybody else want to go for a ride in David's truck? No? Just me?
Ohh... David and Beryl are going to buy a new house. I hope it's not brown.
Yeah I'm not going to lie re: David, that had crossed my mind. But then Beryl appears and the thought drifts...
I've just passed the eps where Susan has met Angela for the first time and although I knew that she could only possibly be a complete bitch, she surpassed all my expectations. Literally having to get dragged out of the room, shouting and wailing. Thankfully I can vouch for the fact that in the long distant future, second Susan is not remotely as offensive.
Patricia's friend Charlie is fabulous isn't she? I want her to move to Denver and be Alexis' catty best friend.
Did you know that "Sons & Daughters" had a German remake? "Verbotene Liebe" (Forbidden Love) ran from 1995 to 2015.
The first year or so had basically the same storylines and characters as the original Australian soap, only of course slightly modified (different character names etc.)
The Brandners were a working class family from Cologne, while the aristocratic von Anstettens lived in the city of Düsseldorf. Jan and Julia were twins separated at birth, and there the story began.
Julia and Jan as played by Valerie Niehaus and Andreas Brucker.
The original cast consisted of the following characters:
Jan Brandner (1st actor: 1995-1997; 2nd actor: 2011-2012) = John Palmer
Florian Brandner (1st actor: 1995-1997, 1998; 2nd actor: 2002-2004) = Kevin Palmer
Susanne Brandner (1995-1997, 2005-2008) = Susan Palmer (Susanne later came out as a lesbian)
Arno Brandner (1995-2012, deceased) = David Palmer
Iris Brander (1995-1996, deceased) = Beryl Palmer
Julia von Anstetten (1st actress: 1995-1997; 2nd actress: 2011-2012) = Angela Hamilton
Clarissa von Anstetten (1995-2001, 2011-2013) = Patricia Hamilton
Christoph von Anstetten (1995-2000, deceased) = Gordon Hamilton
Henning von Anstetten (1st actor: 1995-1996, 2nd actor: 1998-1999; 3rd actor: 1999-2002, deceased) = Wayne Hamilton
Barbara von Sterneck (1st actress: 1995; 2nd actress: 1995-1999) = Barbara Armstrong
Gero von Sterneck (1st actor: 1995; 2nd actor: 1995-1997, 1998-1999) = Simon Armstrong (Gero was the first gay character on VL)
Kati von Sterneck (1st actress: 1995; 2nd actress: 1995-2001) = Prue Armstrong
Anna Konrad (1995-1997) = Lynn Hardy
Fiona Beckmann (1995-1996, deceased) = Fiona Thompson
Sophie Levinsky (1995-1997) = Jill Taylor
Charlie Schneider (1995-2015) = Charlie Bartlett
Around 2007/2008 ratings began to fall. Eventually, "Verbotene Liebe" was cancelled in 2014, but was later revived as a weekly series in 2015. Because ratings were still awful, the show aired its final episode on 26 June 2015. Charlie Schneider was the only character who remained from the beginning to the very end.
More information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbotene_Liebe
This was the very first episode:
18 years in 18 minutes:
Ad for the "20 Year Anniversary Box":
The same concept happened with the Australian soap "The Restless Years" which inspired the Dutch version "Goede Tijden, Slechte Tijden" (debuted in 1990) and later the German version "Gute Zeiten, Schlechte Zeiten" (debuted in 1992). Both soaps are still airing as of today and are the most-viewed serials in their countries.
I haven't watched for so long, Patricia phoned me (what else?). I heard the phone click twice and then she said, "It's me, darling, watch the damn show!"
Of course my first episode back would be Susan-heavy. But, guess what? I kinda loved her in this one! She kept calling Mick's young son Stevie a horror, a nightmare, and a monster -- to his face!! You rarely see everyday people, non-villains, be so vile to kids. Oh, that was fun. LOL
I too have been drawn back to S&D land over Christmas and have now broken the ep 100 mark. Fast forwarding through anything that is overtly focused on Kevin/Susan/Lynn has helped me achieve this questionable milestone but frankly the rest of the stories are also hugely compelling.
Naturally the most interesting stuff continues to be led by Patricia and I can already see they're at risk of Rowena Wallace burning out. The character has had around three arcs so far, spinning in and out of the Palmers' lives in Melbourne and now entering an Alexis Colby phase in the business world. I'll avoid spoilers but I've absolutely lapped up her and Fiona being thrown back into each other's orbits due to a lover they shared in the late 1960s... Her relationship with Charlie is great too - clearly brought in to give Patricia a "talk to" character but she's got a great personality. It's also really interesting how she encourages Patricia to enact her schemes but doesn't really come across as a villain in her own right.
Oh wow.... It's been like 6 months since I have watched Sons & Daughters. I have made a decision, tonight I go back in.
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