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The three exits of Mandy Winger

Discussion in 'Dallas - The Original Series' started by Grangehill1, Sep 18, 2017.

  1. Grangehill1

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    So...

    If the Dream season had not been a Dream then Mandy would have left in Hello Goodbye Hello.

    Because it was a Dream she then left again during season 9 as part of the Valentine lingerie storyline.

    And then she came back, only to leave AGAIN at the end of that series. Does anybody know why she came back for the end of that series? Her storyline was a real nothingness and didnt go anywhere so really, what was the point?
     
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    Bad writing. They failed to maximize the potential value of the character of Mandy Winger. The lingerie story was pointless. Did anyone really watch Dallas to see Sue Ellen try to run a lingerie store? I sure didn't. Sue Ellen left JR anyway so there was no need for her to try to get rid of Mandy. It was an exercise in futility. Sue Ellen had no future with JR, with or without Valentine lingerie because her marriage was already destroyed beyond repair. Mandy was younger and prettier than Sue Ellen. Men like JR marry women like Mandy in that type of scenario. Art imitated life when it was repeatedly stated that Mandy Winger was "magic", a type of woman that is very rare. They ever found another Deborah Shelton who they had JR so they had JR marry a hillbilly instead? Comedy? People watched Dallas for dramatic stories - not comedy. JR marrying Mandy would have added realism and a breath of fresh air to Dallas.

    Instead the writers dragged out the JR/Sue Ellen storyline as excruciatingly long as they possibly could. The writers were just repeating themselves with the breakups, reconciliation, etc that they continued forcing on the audience long after it was clear they didn't belong married to each other. Sue Ellen and JR couldn't even share the same bedroom anymore by that point. They kept Linda Gray anyway. Is that what always happens when the actress is a close friend of the two highest paid stars on the show? Do the writers just do whatever they think will keep their main draws happy, even at the expense of the integrity of the series?

    Clearly the writers didn't just repeat everything that happened in the dream season on the next season. Donna and Ray for example had a very different storyline in season 10 than season 9 and that's as it should have been to keep the product from becoming stale. Then why do it with the JR and Mandy storyline, having Mandy leave once again and Having JR and Sue Ellen try again with equal failure? Behind the scenes friendships shouldn't be allowed to create politics that put pressure on the writers to keep a character on the show that are creatively spent with nothing worthwhile left for them to do. JR with Sue Ellen had been exhausted but nevertheless continued, simply to keep the two highest paid stars happy.
     
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    Integrity? By this stage all was lost with Dallas. The Dream revelation annoyed far too many people and the mass exodus had begun. It really didn't matter how creative the writers were in returning Bobby, everyone had witnessed that gut wrenching episode, "Swan Song."

    Granted, Deborah Shelton was beautiful but her speech delivery annoyed the hell out of me. If the writers had really shown JR deeply in love with Mandy and JR and Sue Ellen had an amicable divorce (yeah right) then I could accept the relationship between JR and Mandy. But would viewers have readily accepted the new Mrs. Ewing? I could if Sue Ellen was handed a story which didn't involve her throwing herself at another man or the ridiculous Valentine Lingerie story, or whatever the hell it was. Since when did Sue Ellen know anything about business?

    My gut feeling is the new hierarchy (after Patrick's return) wanted to purge all the Mrs. Ewing's. Granted Victoria had already decided to leave so bye bye Mrs. Bobby Ewing, followed soon after by Mrs. Ray Krebbs (Donna) and eventually the former Mrs. JR Ewing (Sue Ellen). All to be replaced by air-heads and noticeably younger women. Really JR? Cally? I really felt for Miss Ellie when that entered Southfork. Clearly the younger ones were brought on board for Dallas to remain relevant. But at what cost?
     
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    For a moment I feared this was the title of the adult film she made after leaving Dallas.
     
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    Same here, I hated her babyish, breathy, whiny voice & the way she spoke her lines!!!!:confused: I never liked Mandy but, once Linda was gone for good, I agree that she would have been way better & more 'understandable' as the next Mrs. JR Ewing, than Cally.:tv2:
     
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    Neither did I, which was precisely what made it such an unexpected treat. I really enjoyed that story. It was witty and surprising -- suprisingly witty, in fact.
     
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    As long as it was still on the air they still needed to be giving Dallas their best effort. When it comes down to a choice of keeping the story interesting or just repeating themselves so they can keep their two highest paid actors happy by keeping their friend on the payroll, there shouldn't be any doubt as to what is the right thing to do to keep their audience watching. All is not lost as long as they can still attract enough viewers for the show to turn a profit and they were still accomplishing that at the time.

    Regarding speech delivery, are you suggesting Linda Gray's habit of whispering her lines was your ideal?
     
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    Linda's delivery I could accept, but just marginally. When the scene called for it and Linda let go of that whisper and raged the character was all the better for it. Another one known to whisper was Afton. Was this some trait the female characters on Dallas had to adhere by?
     
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    Were the exits something to do with pre-written scripts being recycled after an entire season was wiped out by the dream? I always imagined that the Valentine Langerie storyline would have started earlier, Mandy would have left mid-season only to return to get JR back. That last storyline would have played out longer but ultimately had the same conclusion. As it was, her final return was too brief to have any real impact.

    I really liked the Valentine Lingerie storyline too, in fact it was one of the last few really good storylines in Dallas.
     
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    On the old forum I once started a thread called "Dallas At A Whisper" in which I made this same point. So many characters in the show delivered their lines in this way. In addition to the ones already mentioned, Donna Reed, Prissy Presley and Patrick Duffy also favoured the whispering approach.
     
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    I didn't mind it, except that it was a retread of what we'd already seen in the dream.
     
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    Did anyone else realize that this thread´s title is slightly pornographic...? :bag:
     
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    I had recently seen some YouTube videos from when Sue Ellen fired her and JR dumped her. Her voice really could get pretty cringeworthy with the crying and her "You bitch!" line that sounded like it was from a bad teen movie. I wanted to cover my ears and run.
     
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    Simple, Sue Ellen DIDN'T know anything about business. It was just fanservice, because people who haven't had extensive business training don't learn all of that in that short of a time AND make a multimillion dollar business with multiple locations like Mary Sue Ellen did. Heck, she didn't even know how to handle her own money and had to have a financial advisor to help her in season 5 (dvd). And even that contradicted itself poorly with Sue Ellen's apparently unnamed investments that he claimed she had. Okay, so Sue Ellen knew how to make investments, but still needed someone to help her manage her money? I swear, none of this made any sense!

    I heard that there was an article stating that the airhead convention in the later seasons was an effort from the staff to do that dreaded "connecting with the younger viewers" garbage that we both love so much (sarcasm, of course).
     
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    I always think of Mandy as a sort of "dream woman" for lots of guys, particularly male chauvinists. Beautiful, balloon-breasted, and ready to give you a drink, fawn over you for a while, and then shut up and have sex with you whenever you want, with no intellectual conversations or common interests required. Aside from the physical characteristics, a woman like Mandy probably IS becoming more rare these days.
     
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    Regarding physical characteristics, women like Mandy have always been rare. If that weren't so, women these days who look like Mandy wouldn't draw attention based on their looks because they wouldn't be special, or rare, anymore. Women don't get better looking as time goes on. If you disagree, name 10 popular TV actresses that look as good or better than Victoria Principal did in the late 70s and 80s, who btw, was more "ballon breasted" than Deborah Shelton when they were bot in Dallas at the same time.

    Regarding no intellectual conversations, can you give examples of Bobby and Pam having intellectual conversations? How about common interests? What were Bobby and Pam's common interests? Pam sided with her brother Cliff on common interests more than she did with her own husband Bobby! Yet Bobby and Pam were portrayed as, and became the most idyllic, most beloved couple on all of Dallas.
     
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    Presea, you're right that Sue Ellen knew next to nothing about business. Valentine succeeded because of two people - Mandy Winger and Nicholas Pierce. Sue Ellen simply had the money to hire them. And Nicholas Pierce wasn't her idea - she met I'm through JR's suggestion she call Meese Cates. Anyone who has money and expert advice on who to hire to best grow her company, along with basically being told who to hire as the face (and body) of the company since JR had "chosen" Mandy, Sue Ellen made no innovative, difficult intellectual decisions during her whole tenure in Valentine lingerie. None of the important decisions that led to Valentine's success were made by Sue Ellen.

    Maybe Sue Ellen's one trulyoriginal idea in building Valentine was coming up with the phrase to describe their future customers. Well, all you women out there, how appealing to you would it be to be known as "trash with class'? I'll be surprised if even one woman responds positively to that question.
     
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    Sue Ellen had help. And was her first name "Mary"??
     
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    Sue Ellen as the visionary of Valentine Lingerie chimed perfectly with who she was, her background as a beauty queen, her "mother's idea of geisha training" as Kristin once put it. All the Shepherd girls really knew about was how please to a man so it was perfect poetic justice for Sue Ellen to use that very knowledge, that geisha training, against her own husband.

    So she didn't really know anything about spreadsheets and whatnot, who cares? This is soap opera! Abby Ewing went from a part time bookkeeper to the US Trade representative to Japan in eight nine years and we all bought that. And even Bobby wasn't all that interested in running Ewing Oil until just before Jock's will was read when it suddenly became his lifetime passion. It worked for the plot and that's all that really matters.
     
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