The US 2016 Election Thread

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    It's funny how they don't even try to debunk her claims. Instead, they choose to spin it by saying she insulted "hard working people," even though that's not remotely what she said.

    Of course, coming from someone who has used the term "super predators" and was once against gay marriage, Hillary's cries of racism and homophobia are a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
     
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    So many polls coming out now.....

    Thursday, September 15

    Colorado Trump 42, Clinton 38, Johnson 13, Stein 3 Trump +4

    Iowa Trump 45, Clinton 37, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +8

    Michigan Trump 35, Clinton 38, Johnson 10, Stein 4 Clinton +3

    Ohio Trump 42, Clinton 39, Johnson 4, Stein 1 Trump +3

    Virginia Trump 37, Clinton 40, Johnson 8, Stein 1 Clinton +3

    North Carolina Trump 42, Clinton 42, Johnson 5, Stein 0 Tie

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    Welcome back McGarrett....great to have another Patriot on board :fantastic:
     
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    The so-called "progressive" magazine Mother Jones has a problem with millennials. In the case of their editor-in-chief, it's a downright hatred. Clara Jeffery, editor-in-chief of Mother Jones, took to Twitter to show that third party candidates such as Gary Johnson and Jill Stein draw the majority of their support from young votes. In response, Jeffery stated "I have never hated millennials more."

    How lovely. Mother Jones writer Kevin Drum wrote an article disagreeing with his boss. It's not millennials he hates, but rather Bernie Sanders for turning them against Hillary Clinton. Here's what he had to say on the issue:

    That's right everybody. He hates Bernie Sanders for telling the truth. How dare he expose Hillary Clinton for who she really is instead of feeding the false narrative that she's a real progressive. If he wants further reasons why Hillary is not popular with millennials, he could have also pointed to the fact that she was against gay marriage until a few years ago, she supported the wars in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, she supported the Patriot Act, she used the racially-charged term "super predators" to describe black criminals, etc. But does any of that matter? Not to the Hillary shills at Mother Jones. They'd rather shoot the messenger than deal with the fact that millennials are disgusted with both Trump AND Clinton for good reason.

    I also like how he criticized Bernie for "grudgingly" supporting Hillary Clinton. What did he expect? Hillary was considerably to the right of Bernie, and it took his staying in the race to bring her more to the left. That is why he endorsed her, but I certainly didn't expect him to be enthusiastic about it. Sanders is constantly telling the media that he doesn't want a Donald Trump presidency, but that's not good enough to this tool at Mother Jones.

    As far as campaigning against Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, again, what do they expect? She tried sabotaging his campaign at every turn, she supports the predatory payday loan industry, etc. She's yet another thoroughly awful "Democrat," and I don't blame him one bit for campaigning against her.

    Lastly, the writer mentioned Bernie setting up the anti-TPP movement. Am I missing something here? Aren't Democrats supposed to be against a trade deal that would allow corporations to move jobs overseas?

    The writer ends with this:

    What a remarkable piece of journalism from Mother Jones. So millennials don't differ much on policy views with Hillary, even though they clearly do. And they're obviously ageist towards a 68 year old, even though they supported 75 year old Sanders. The writer even mentions this and contradicts his own invalid point! And last but not least, Sanders convinced young voters the truth that Hillary Clinton cares nothing for real progressive values. She has a lifetime of fighting for them? Ha! You want to know what a lifetime of fighting for progressive values looks like? Try being arrested for civil rights protests in the 60s, supporting gay rights at least since the 70s, voting against the Iraq War and the Patriot Act, voting against the Wall Street Bailouts, and supporting a $15 an hour minimum wage and universal health care without having to be pushed to.

    Do I agree with Sanders on everything? Of course not. He's made compromises on gun control, the 1994 crime bill, and pushed for a trillion dollar fighter jet to be built in Vermont. And yet I found his reasoning for doing so to be far more sincere than Hillary's excuses for conceding to the right. Not to mention the fact that Hillary has done so far more often and with far worse results. In my opinion, Hillary governs based on opinion polls, while Bernie governs based on what he believes is best for the country as whole. That might involve a bit of pragmatism from time to time, but it doesn't mean selling out.

    My disappointment comes from Bernie discouraging young voters from casting a "protest vote." He believes doing so will lead to a Trump presidency. Whether Democrats choose to vote for Clinton as a pragmatic choice or not should be up to them. Nobody should be fear mongered into supporting the two party system. Bernie ran under that system to increase exposure, but he also exposed the establishment's control over the political process.

    The Democratic Party became a centrist right party under the Clintons. Instead of bashing progressive voters for not supporting their agenda, perhaps they should take a hard look at themselves and what they stand for. If voting Johnson or Stein leads to Trump becoming president, the Democrats need to face reality and realize their candidate is to blame, not the voters.
     
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    Considering he doesn't point to any source, I'm pretty sure he pulled that from his ass.
     
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    OMG, as much as I am totally frustrated and disappointed in both Clinton and Trump, Michelle Obama would be my tipping point. :embarrassed::hiding: I'm fed up with these political dynasties believing THEY DESERVE to have their TURN at the helm of this country. :brick:The Bushes have given us two presidents who wrecked our country and the Clinton's have provided more corruption and scandal than I ever believed one family could be capable of doing..:mo::mad: :frustration: Hillary Clinton couldn't tell the truth if her very existence depended on it. She even lies about lying! Liar, Liar, pants suit on fire. She is not the icon/symbol I want to be historically known as the first female president. of America. :(:mad::eek:
    I don't know what the answer is, but I darn well know she is not it. :think: As for Trump,, ,,,,, AMERICA, YOU CAN DO BETTER!!!!! :no::no::no::no::cry:
     
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    McGarrett, I'm glad you are back, too. I enjoy reading your comments and wit!!!!:welcome:
     
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    Yes, and don't forget that Virginia Governor, Terry McCulliffe spoke a couple of months ago about Hillary changing her mind about TPP AFTER she gets elected.
     
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    Thanks, these things sure change rapidly.:vote:
     
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    Bernie is toast for supporting Hildabeast. He could only draw 150 to a rally in ohio and they cancelled another that was scheduled for low RSVP's
     
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    Serves him right for turning traitor on his thousands of supporters. :jump:He was not a Democrat and to give his support and endorsement to "HITLERY" was a real smack in the face to the people who were loyal followers while he was in the race, not to mention that he just recently purchased a vacation home in Vermont in excess of $600,000, which is in a very pricy area and was his 3rd. home, by the way. What a phony!!!! May the Great American Eagle, our national symnbol roost on his head and make a deposit on him the way he's done his supporters.:frustration:
     
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    So many of these Republicans speak absolute utter b*llocks. There isn't a chance in hell that the DNC would pick Michelle Obama. Firstly Hilary isn't gravely ill and secondly, if she were to pull out Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden would be the miles ahead of Michelle as an alternative candidate.
     

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