World Cup Qualification Round Usa Soap Opera Qualifying Round

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  1. Barbara Fan

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    Does Soap count ie Tates and Campbells

    id opt for Flamingo road as i liked John beck and how can you pass on a name like lane Balou and Lute Mae, who we caled slutty May at school
    Titans

    thats my lot, Only Dallas really did it for me xx
     
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    AC has the final word, of course, but even when it aired, ABC touted the show as a sitcom. All its Emmys came in comedy categories, and lord knows it was hilarious. The serialized format and nods to soap operas (the incidental music, the announcer doing recaps, the excellent cliffhangers) muddies the waters, but I would still categorize it as a sitcom. I would also add that Susan Harris's writing (the pacing, the familial connections, the interweaving of plots) and skill at characterization makes Soap a better soap opera than some "real" soap operas. Had she not played it all for laughs, it would hold up as a soap opera; it would have been interesting if they could have lured her into head-writing a "real" soap opera to see how well she could branch out beyond comedy.
     
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  3. Daniel Avery

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    I should add my honorable mention before I forget: the action-packed, edge-of-your-seat thrill-ride known as

    As the Stomach Turns (via The Carol Burnett Show)



    Burnett is a famous fan of daytime soaps, so of course she'd have a running series of skits spoofing soaps on her variety show.
     
  4. Angela Channing

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    Although Soap had some elements of a soap opera, it was more of a sitcom than a soap opera so I'm not going to include it.

    Totally agree.
     
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  5. Daniel Avery

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    Barely-topical tidbit: Susan Harris's first husband was a soap actor named Berkeley Harris. They had a child together, but got divorced. She later married her collaborator/producer partner, Paul Junger Witt. Berkeley Harris later married the venerable soap legend Beverlee McKinsey (of Another World and Guiding Light). So Susan Harris had more than a passing knowledge of how soaps work.
     
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    I've already made my nominations so can't nominate any more shows; however, for those of you struggling for inspiration about what shows should be included in the vote you could always consider nominating CHARMED.

    This was a supernatural soap from the Aaron Spelling stable which centred on the lives of a group of sisters who were witches who used their magical powers to overcome evil and to thwart demons.

    It was an excellent soap which aired not that long ago on digital tv in the UK.
     
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  7. Daniel Avery

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    If someone were to nominate Charmed, I think there would be some discussion about whether or not it counts as a true soap opera, since its episodes were mostly self-contained.
     
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  8. Willie Oleson

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    No votes for Twin Peaks? I am shocked.
     
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    Two of the shows I have listed have already been nominated. However my second choice hasn't been mentioned so far and I feel deserves a place in the next round. Emerald Point N.A.S. was a one season wonder in the 1983 - '84 period focusing on an Air Force unit, in the mould of the big 4. The show featured an actor who also later appeared in the twilight years of DALLAS and another actor who featured in the last third of FALCON CREST.

    1) THE COLBYS

    2) EMERALD POINT N.A.S.



    3) SANTA BARBARA
     
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  10. Willie Oleson

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    It's not one of the best prime time soaps, but I'd love to re-watch it some day.
     
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    1. All My Children
    2. The O.C.
    3. Revenge
     
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    I'm kind of mad that I never watched Emerald Point when all of it was on YouTube. I found the opening episode to be boring and Dennis Weaver to be a weak lead. However, I should have stuck with it as I'm sure Jill St John, Maud Adams & Sela Ward would've got me through.
     
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    I'd say it's easily the dullest of the lot.
     
  14. Willie Oleson

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    Susan Dey, otherwise an entertaining actress, had a terrible part - and it wasn't even trashy fun like Paper Dolls. Most of the other characters seemed bland and soulless, apart from the resident vixen played by Sela Ward.
    But in the grand scheme of things it's not very important, die-hard soap fans need to know what it's like, and with only one full season it's not much of an investment.

    I would expect even less from BERRENGER'S - but if I had the chance to watch all episodes I'd still do it.
    There's something enchanting about these vintage prime time soaps, and I'll take the bad with the good. And it's always possible to be pleasantly surprised.
     
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    I watched Emerald Point in its original run, and other than Sela Ward, I remember virtually nothing about it. Whenever she would pop up on something I'd know I was going to be entertained. I wonder if they were afraid to portray high-ranking military members in a negative light, given the era. I watched The Monroes in 1993 or so, and they certainly had no qualms about portraying high-ranking politicians that way--heck, the daughter was having an affair with President Clinton! (But then, who wasn't?)
     
  16. Willie Oleson

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    That was my feeling. Because the American military was at the heart of the series and the American military is this sacred real-life thing, you couldn't satirise it or portray it as corrupt in the same way that you could big business or politics. So anything potentially soapy or juicy could only happen around the edges of the show, while this big untouchable monolith took up most of the space. It's kind of the opposite problem that PAPER DOLLS and later MODELS INC had. While the military was EMERALD POINT's big, heavy, unmalleable focal point, the world of fashion and models was too ephemeral and fast-moving and intangible to sink one's teeth into dramatically. There was nothing really there to get a hold of.
     
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  18. Willie Oleson

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    Yes, there should be a lot at stake even before the story begins, and that's usually the case with the big industries or immense properties.
    If you pick something less important then you'll need to "shrink" the universe, and if you live in the small world of the Tuscany Valley then it's hard to ignore the machinations of Angela, Carlo and the Falcons (and lots of international crime conveniently found its way to Angela's doorstep).
    Bickering about a new lipstick line on a more international scale should make even the most faboo people cringe a little.
    PAPER DOLLS wasn't claustrophobic enough, and I guess no-one cared about Tyger's perfume imperium in BARE ESSENCE.
    But it totally works in novels, the more personal experience of the reader vs. the printed words automatically shrink that whatever universe.
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