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World Cup Qualification Round USA Soap Operas

Discussion in 'World Cup of Soaps' started by Angela Channing, Jul 9, 2019.

  1. Barbara Fan

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    Does Soap count ie Tates and Campbells

    id opt for Flamingo road as i liked John beck and how can you pass on a name like lane Balou and Lute Mae, who we caled slutty May at school
    Titans

    thats my lot, Only Dallas really did it for me xx
     
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    AC has the final word, of course, but even when it aired, ABC touted the show as a sitcom. All its Emmys came in comedy categories, and lord knows it was hilarious. The serialized format and nods to soap operas (the incidental music, the announcer doing recaps, the excellent cliffhangers) muddies the waters, but I would still categorize it as a sitcom. I would also add that Susan Harris's writing (the pacing, the familial connections, the interweaving of plots) and skill at characterization makes Soap a better soap opera than some "real" soap operas. Had she not played it all for laughs, it would hold up as a soap opera; it would have been interesting if they could have lured her into head-writing a "real" soap opera to see how well she could branch out beyond comedy.
     
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  3. Daniel Avery

    Daniel Avery Super Moderator EXP: 19 Years Staff Member

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    I should add my honorable mention before I forget: the action-packed, edge-of-your-seat thrill-ride known as

    As the Stomach Turns (via The Carol Burnett Show)



    Burnett is a famous fan of daytime soaps, so of course she'd have a running series of skits spoofing soaps on her variety show.
     
  4. Angela Channing

    Angela Channing World Cup of Soaps Moderator EXP: 21 Years

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    Although Soap had some elements of a soap opera, it was more of a sitcom than a soap opera so I'm not going to include it.

    Totally agree.
     
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  5. Daniel Avery

    Daniel Avery Super Moderator EXP: 19 Years Staff Member

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    Barely-topical tidbit: Susan Harris's first husband was a soap actor named Berkeley Harris. They had a child together, but got divorced. She later married her collaborator/producer partner, Paul Junger Witt. Berkeley Harris later married the venerable soap legend Beverlee McKinsey (of Another World and Guiding Light). So Susan Harris had more than a passing knowledge of how soaps work.
     
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    I've already made my nominations so can't nominate any more shows; however, for those of you struggling for inspiration about what shows should be included in the vote you could always consider nominating CHARMED.

    This was a supernatural soap from the Aaron Spelling stable which centred on the lives of a group of sisters who were witches who used their magical powers to overcome evil and to thwart demons.

    It was an excellent soap which aired not that long ago on digital tv in the UK.
     
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  7. Daniel Avery

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    If someone were to nominate Charmed, I think there would be some discussion about whether or not it counts as a true soap opera, since its episodes were mostly self-contained.
     
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  8. Willie Oleson

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    No votes for Twin Peaks? I am shocked.
     
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    Jock Og Soap Chat Well-Known Member EXP: 19 Years

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    Two of the shows I have listed have already been nominated. However my second choice hasn't been mentioned so far and I feel deserves a place in the next round. Emerald Point N.A.S. was a one season wonder in the 1983 - '84 period focusing on an Air Force unit, in the mould of the big 4. The show featured an actor who also later appeared in the twilight years of DALLAS and another actor who featured in the last third of FALCON CREST.

    1) THE COLBYS

    2) EMERALD POINT N.A.S.



    3) SANTA BARBARA
     
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  10. Willie Oleson

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    It's not one of the best prime time soaps, but I'd love to re-watch it some day.
     
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    1. All My Children
    2. The O.C.
    3. Revenge
     
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    I'm kind of mad that I never watched Emerald Point when all of it was on YouTube. I found the opening episode to be boring and Dennis Weaver to be a weak lead. However, I should have stuck with it as I'm sure Jill St John, Maud Adams & Sela Ward would've got me through.
     
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    I'd say it's easily the dullest of the lot.
     
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    Susan Dey, otherwise an entertaining actress, had a terrible part - and it wasn't even trashy fun like Paper Dolls. Most of the other characters seemed bland and soulless, apart from the resident vixen played by Sela Ward.
    But in the grand scheme of things it's not very important, die-hard soap fans need to know what it's like, and with only one full season it's not much of an investment.

    I would expect even less from BERRENGER'S - but if I had the chance to watch all episodes I'd still do it.
    There's something enchanting about these vintage prime time soaps, and I'll take the bad with the good. And it's always possible to be pleasantly surprised.
     
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    I watched Emerald Point in its original run, and other than Sela Ward, I remember virtually nothing about it. Whenever she would pop up on something I'd know I was going to be entertained. I wonder if they were afraid to portray high-ranking military members in a negative light, given the era. I watched The Monroes in 1993 or so, and they certainly had no qualms about portraying high-ranking politicians that way--heck, the daughter was having an affair with President Clinton! (But then, who wasn't?)
     
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    That was my feeling. Because the American military was at the heart of the series and the American military is this sacred real-life thing, you couldn't satirise it or portray it as corrupt in the same way that you could big business or politics. So anything potentially soapy or juicy could only happen around the edges of the show, while this big untouchable monolith took up most of the space. It's kind of the opposite problem that PAPER DOLLS and later MODELS INC had. While the military was EMERALD POINT's big, heavy, unmalleable focal point, the world of fashion and models was too ephemeral and fast-moving and intangible to sink one's teeth into dramatically. There was nothing really there to get a hold of.
     
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  18. Willie Oleson

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    Yes, there should be a lot at stake even before the story begins, and that's usually the case with the big industries or immense properties.
    If you pick something less important then you'll need to "shrink" the universe, and if you live in the small world of the Tuscany Valley then it's hard to ignore the machinations of Angela, Carlo and the Falcons (and lots of international crime conveniently found its way to Angela's doorstep).
    Bickering about a new lipstick line on a more international scale should make even the most faboo people cringe a little.
    PAPER DOLLS wasn't claustrophobic enough, and I guess no-one cared about Tyger's perfume imperium in BARE ESSENCE.
    But it totally works in novels, the more personal experience of the reader vs. the printed words automatically shrink that whatever universe.
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  19. Angela Channing

    Angela Channing World Cup of Soaps Moderator EXP: 21 Years

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    The 29 US soap operas nominated by forum members to take part in the vote to qualify for the knock out stages of the World Cup are as follows:

    All My Children
    Another World
    Army Wives
    As The World Turns
    Beverly Hills 90210
    The Bold and The Beautiful
    Central Park West
    The Colbys
    Dark Shadows
    Days of Our Lives
    Desperate Housewives
    The Edge of Night
    Emerald Point NAS
    Flamingo Road
    Guiding Light
    Hyperion Bay
    Melrose Place
    The Monroes
    The OC
    One Tree Hill
    Revenge
    Santa Barbara
    Savannah
    Sunset Beach
    Titans
    Tyrant
    Valley of The Dolls
    The Yellow Rose
    The Young and The Restless


    Forum members are now requested to vote for which of these soap operas you would like to go through to the next round.

    Please select up to 6 soap operas from the list above that you would like to go through to join Dallas, Knots Landing, Dynasty, Falcon Crest, General Hospital and Peyton Place in the next round. Rank your choices from your favourite through to your sixth choice.

    You may vote for any soap, including those your nominated. You don't have to remain loyal to your nominees and can choose to leave them out of your top 6 if you prefer.

    You can still vote even if you haven't nominated.

    Remember you are voting for your favourite soap operas or the soap opera you think deserves to do through. If you don't consider a particular show to be a soap opera, don't include it in your list.

    You don't have to vote for 6 soaps but 6 is the maximum.

    If you haven't seen all the programmes, I will shortly post a brief description of each soap opera which you may (or may not) find useful in deciding which soap to vote for.

    You do not have to have seen a particular soap opera to vote for it, you just have to think it deserves to go through based on any criteria you think is appropriate.

    You may add reasons for your votes but this is entirely optional.

    Voting closes at midday on Tuesday 23rd July.
     
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  20. Angela Channing

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    All My Children (1970 – 2013)
    All My Children was one of the longest running soap operas of all time. Set in Pine Valley, a fictional suburb in Pennsylvania suburb, All My Children was the story of several families and characters but most notably Erica Kane, her long line of husbands and all her children. Considered to be a ground-breaking soap opera, tackling many subjects that were considered taboo at the time. In May 1972, a character became the first television character to undergo a legal abortion and in 1983 it became the first soap to do a story about homosexuality. In 1987, when a character became HIV positive, through visits to his doctor, the show educated the public on how the disease was spread and how to prevent it.

    Another World (1964 - 1999)
    The story of life in the Midwestern town of Bay City, and the love, loss, trials, and triumph of its residents. The show focused less on the conventional drama of domestic life as seen in other soap operas, and more on exotic melodrama between families of different classes and philosophies.

    “A great example of character-driven storytelling at its peak, it spent much of its 35-year run exploring the dramas between characters of different economic strata. The core families of Corys, Hudsons, Matthewses, and Frames had lives that intertwined for better or worse. It was the first soap to transition from live broadcasts to tape; the first to transition from black-and-white to color; the first to expand to hour-long episodes (and even expanded to 90 minute-episodes for about a year). They were the first soap to depict an (illegal) abortion, and the first soap to write an AIDS storyline. It's also noteworthy for many cast members who went on to greater fame like Ray Liotta, Eric Roberts, Kelsey Grammer, Anne Heche, and Ed O'Neill.” - @Daniel Avery

    Army Wives (2007 – 2013)
    Army Wives was an American drama series that followed the lives of four army wives, one army husband, and their families.

    “This show follows the lives of a bunch of army wives while their men are at war. There is also one man who is a stay at home dad while his wife is in the army. It is basically a soap opera.” - @Karin Schill

    As The World Turns (1956 – 2010)
    Running for 54 years, As the World Turns was the third-longest running daytime soap opera on American television. Set in the fictional town of Oakdale,Illinois, As the World Turns was known for character development and psychological realism over melodrama which was typical of other soap operas. It followed the lives of well-to-do families headed by legal and medical professionals.

    “The first soap to premiere in a half-hour format (just barely--The Edge of Night premiered the same day), it was a runaway success from day one. It attracted the highest ratings of any soap in most of the late-1950s through the early 1970s. It was well-known for its strongly traditional "family dramas" format, with the Hugheses being the central family for the entire 54 years. It basically invented the "supercouple" in the early 1960s with the immensely popular Penny and Jeff, and even had a primetime spin-off named Our Private World featuring ATWT's main villainess, Lisa. The show was the first place most of us ever saw actresses Meg Ryan, Julianne Moore, Marisa Tomei, and Ming-Na Wen.” - @Daniel Avery

    Beverly Hills 90210 (1990 – 2000)
    A group of friends living in Beverly Hills, California make their way through life from their school days into adulthood.

    “I love this show. I know it's aimed at a teen market. But it is a soap opera and I loved following the characters for all these years.” - @Karin Schill
     
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