When you lose your lead character!

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  1. Pamela_E

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    With news that House of Cards is trying to rewrite the show without Kevin Spacey I was trying to think of other shows that have lost their lead chacater and how they survived

    Do you know if any shows where this has happened and what was the outcome?

    One that springs to mind is Valerie, she was fired by Lorimar and it rebranded as The Hogan Family

    Any others?
     
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    Homeland springs to mind and that show became ten-time better without Brody and his annoying kids.
     
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    Maurice Colbourne (as Tom Howard) was not in the last season of Howards' Way. Well, it was about the Howard family, not just him, but I've always read that title as if it was his show.
     
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    Dallas without JR -- worked for me.
     
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    UK detective drama Taggart was based around main character Jim Taggart from the 80's until the mid 90's when the actor that played him passed away. Despite the fact that the show's namesake was now gone, the show continued to air under the same name with a different lead characters (none of whom were named Taggart) taking his place until the show ended in 2010.
     
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    Wentworth and Bea.

    Vikings and Ragnar Lothbrok.

    Both shows are good examples are shows that have lost their lead and even thrived because the writers aren't stuck trying to create storylines for a dead-end character.
     
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    Patricia (Pat the Rat) Hamilton (Rowena Wallace) on Sons & Daughters. Rowena was exhausted playing the role and wanted out. The writers obliged but left us hanging by having some thug beat her to an inch of her life. She was left in a Pamela Ewing like state with her head wrapped in bandages. The show stumbled forward until Pat the Rat alias Alison Carr (Belinda Giblin) returned. Ratings were still tumbling so the producers went begging to Rowena Wallace to return, not as Pat the Rat but Pamela! Co-incidence? I think not. Talk about head-turning, scratch your head stuff. This plot made Dynasty look Shakespearean.

    The series eventually limped to its inevitable end.
     
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    Blake's 7 was never the same for me when it lost Blake

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    Taggart is being re run on STV 2 and Ive tuned in to watch a few oldies from the 80s and 90s, there have been so many famous actors in the cast - it reads a bit like a Whos Who of UK TV
    There's been a Muuuuurrrrdaaah in Maryhill

    Its great!
     
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    At least the surprise-twin sister didn't look like Alison Carr.

    Could Dallas survive without its Romeo?
    [​IMG]
     
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    John Ritter died unexpectedly during the run of his sitcom 8 Simple Rules and the show's producers decided to continue the series. He was the father/husband in a family sitcom (Katey Sagal played his wife), so they had a tough road. It lasted a season or two after Ritter's death, but lost ratings steadily.

    Cover Up was an action-adventure series starring Jon Erik Hexum and Jennifer O'Neill. The impossibly handsome and charismatic Hexum died on set in an accident involving a prop gun. The show hired Antony Hamilton to 'replace' Hexum, but viewers didn't stick around.

    I'd cite Happy Days continuing when Ron Howard left the series, but Henry Winkler had been taking over the show well before Howard left, so the transition wasn't as hard as it would have been earlier on.

    When Cindy Williams left Laverne and Shirley, they went on with co-lead Penny Marshall (Laverne) by herself, but the show limped along stupidly without Williams's Shirley. The missing "half" of the series was most obviously absent in the opening titles, where instead of the ladies singing their funny/nonsensical song as they marched down the street, the producers had some strange children sing it as Laverne, walking alone on the sidewalk, watched them march by.
     
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    Suddenly Susan did another season after one of the main characters had died (well, not Susan).
    There was a tribute episode, I thought it was very intense, and after that they revamped the show and brought in some new characters.
    But sitcom & death is a horrible combination, and I just couldn't forget - and those new characters weren't so great either.
    I'm not a fanatic sitcom viewer, but I really liked Suddenly Susan, and I have to admit that I was a bit angry that David Strickland (the one who died) had ruined my favourite comedy.
    Is that selfish?

    Incidentally,
    https://www.telltaletv.com/2017/05/15-tv-shows-that-continued-without-their-leads/
     
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    But then Fonzie had to go and "jump the shark." Hence where the expression comes from :)
     
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    Then there are those series that changes the entire (or majority) cast with each season. American Horror Story, Fargo & True Detective are good examples. That works just fine.
     
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    Is there going to be a third True Detective Story?

    Is it good?
     
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    I've only seen s1 of Fargo so far. And it was good. If you loved the movie, you'll probably enjoy the series as well. Same feel.
     
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    The Andy Griffith Show was reworked as Mayberry RFD with Ken Berry.

    More recently, The Closer has transitioned into Major Crimes, with Kyra Sedgwick's Brenda Lee Johnson replaced by Mary McDonnell's Sharon Raydor.
     
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    see i never thought that episode with fonzie was that bad and i really detest that saying too Seriosuly i really hate it i can go on for hours on how much i hate that saying but i won't.
    one show that did but it didn't hurt it if you think about it was law & order season 1 though they had him leave in season 2 by i think being killed off one of the original actors left.

    crossing Jordan when Max left it's never said why i don't think. the show was still good when he left but he was missed on the show. i don't recall anyone dying on suddenly Susan but than i haven't seen the show for years. i recall them doing that on that Kirstie Alley show though i forget the name of it where they brought in or he was killed off i forget which the late and great Ron Silver.

    there are others let me sleep on it. oh Castle where they got rid of Captain Montgomery at the end of season 3. the show didn't suck cause he wasn't on the show anymore but i missed him as i hated gates.
     
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    CSI the home show. i love William Peterson and his years with the original cast are THE BEST years of the show easily. with season 5 being my favorite. but after he left i don't think the show suffered. ratings wise it did. and when as i call him Larry Fishbourne was on they did have a great show still but it was hurt by the fact that it at times wasn't written as an assmble anymore. but when Ted Danson came on the show it helped the show a great deal and it lasted longer than i thought it would. he was also better on the show than i thought he would be as well. cause when it was annouced he was joining the cast i went WTF but i was wrong he was great on the show. though i did hate him taking Nick's office
     
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    They should have President Spacey impeached for being a sexual predator. I'd watch that. Blend reality with fiction -- sometimes that works well.
     
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