"You call this plain clothes…?" (Re)watching Cagney & Lacey

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    Oh, definitely.

    A spot-on caricature.

    :D

    It was Murder on the Orient Express in reverse. Not everyone ... no one did it.
    Interesting observation.
     
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    Ironically a more conventional whodunnit than the previous episode's Agatha Christie/Columbo homage, a close-call for the Lacey's dream house, and the sub-plot about Cagney's Corvette showed her battling some inconvenient scruples when she couldn't quite stretch the truth far enough to make a sale. Some nice scenes as the squad reacts in various ways to Lacey's irritability, too.
     
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    It's interesting, though, that their positions change during the episode. Mary Beth becomes more comfortable while Christine becomes decidedly less so.
    Best was when someone asked her which series she was a detective on. \

    And the two detectives were name Johnson and Masters. Nothing was made of it; the two names were even revealed in separate scenes.
    I had completely forgotten there was a second daughter. We don't see much of her or her mother.


    That's been true of a lot of the issues covered. Good for the show but sad that we've made so little progress in real life.

    She came into my mind, too. I was by no means sure why.
     
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    I had the exact same experience.

    :eck:

    When Bridget first mentions her grandfather, Chris doesn't know who she means, then says, "Oh, Charlie". After that, Bridget calls him Charlie, too.
    I suspected that their was something off about the nanny from then on. A real Brit would never have taught them to say it like that. :)
     
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    Sadly, I was unable to watch "Parting Shots" due to a bad scratch on the disc. It had already caused sticking during the previous three episodes but this time it froze at the 7 minute mark and just wouldn't play any further.

    I was already planning a hiatus at this point, with the hot weather coming up here, so in the meantime I'll look into getting a replacement disc before I resume.
     
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    Oh - that’s a shame. But at least the timing has worked out, even if the break is an episode early. There’s still lots of goodness to look forward to in a few months. Enjoy the balmy weather. :cool1
     
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    Okay, let's try that again...

    This is of course the episode which we were trying not to spoil earlier with a bad taste pun for a title

    The unexpected nature is thwarted somewhat by the heavy-handedness of the preview scenes which leave out only the identity of the victim.

    My memory was that it occurred earlier in the season, an impression which was abetted by the inclusion of Robert Hegyes in the cast photo on the back of the DVD case. A strange mistake to make.

    I still have the feeling that this was to be his arc all along. I've already remarked on the name Newman. His first name of Jonah also implies a feeling of foreboding.

    It seemed fairly obvious to me that the reason Samuels was pushing the responsibilities onto her was that he was emotionally unable to do them. She really should have been able to see that. Too self-absorbed perhaps. The surprise was more that he admitted it later.
     
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    Into the home stretch now. :)
    I was immediately reminded of that episode. It came as a shock that it really was one of the gang this time.

    A nice throwback to the earlier episode.

    They never mentioned the trust fund - I thought they had forgotten about it, too. The better explanation came when he said that heroin was the only thing that helped her pain, but it was not available legally in the US.
    I don't suppose Mary Tyler Moore was the first to do a light-dousing, door-closing scene but I always think of her series finale when I see something like that.
     
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    I thought the same thing and, sadly, it's even more relevant in 2019.
     
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    A movie parody title, which is fairly unusual for this show. It took me a beat after watching to even figure out what it meant in context of the episode - the answering service connection.
    Yes. it reminded of the Knots episode "Birds Do It, Bees Do It".
    Lacey and Isbecki having a real conversation is not something I'd even really thought about before. Even at this stage the characters can still surprise us.

    This episode also sees Robert Hegyes first appearance - a low key affair although he goes straight into the opening credits. I notice that the guest cast are now credited at the beginning of the episode but no such luck for the long-serving Paul Mantee as Corassa.
     
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    Another social issue that still resonates disturbingly with present-day headlines.
    I had no idea about this. It's sad to think that maybe she was not acting at all.
    Incy Wincy Spider is what we called it here as well. In this and other American shows they call it The Itsy-bitsy Spider, a descriptive term rather than the name I understood it to be as child.
    If this was being made now I think Michael would have been diagnosed with Anxiety and treated much more seriously.
     
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    Yes, sadly.


    Yes it is. Knowing this, it's impossible for me to watch her in anything now without it affecting the way I view.


    Yes, I associate the "Itsy-Bitsy" variation with the U.S.

    Growing up in the UK I only ever heard "Incy Wincy". I'm not sure if this is still the case here. Stealing from American culture at the expense of our own has increasingly become something of a British pastime.
     
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    This episode is a good example of Christine Cagney being a "flawed" character. She brings a determinedly prejudiced outlook to the situation which she refuses to back down on (until the very end) becoming quite unlikeable in the process - quite unusual for a TV cop hero.

    The Charlie's Angels connection crossed my mind as well.
    That is reminiscent of Christie Love's "You under arrest, sugah!" although as I remember it Get Christie Love! was actually a fairly gritty show for its time.

    The name Dee Dee may be a reference to Dee Dee McCall, Stepfanie Kramer's character on Hunter, which, without wanting to draw too long a bow, was effectively the TV series version of Tyne Daly's own The Enforcer, i.e. "Dirty Harry with a female partner".
     
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    That's a new one to me. The background of the show (based on a novel but with the race of the lead character changed to cash in on the Blaxploitation trend; low budget and the lead actress's Jehovah's Witnesses faith restricting what she would film leading to its demise) is a great story in itself.

    This one I do remember, but I hadn't made the connection with The Enforcer.
     
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    Yes, I had heard about that. I understand her conversion came after the pilot was filmed, and the series was somewhat toned down by comparison.
     
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    This episode focusing on child pornography is almost a continuation of the child abuse case of two weeks earlier.
    Yes, I hadn't thought of that. The Law & Order franchise is perhaps the only similar example in recent times.
     
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    My thoughts exactly.

    An episode which, unusually, seems dated because the central issue of apartheid has since been resolved. But the larger issue of racism remains.
     
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    Children and sex seems to have become a consistent theme so far this season.

    A couple of casting notes:

    Faith Ford as one of the sorority girls. Like Ron Howard and Ed Begley, Jr. (at least until relatively recently), Faith Ford doesn't seem to age. She still looks much the same in the new Murphy Brown episodes.

    Robert Hegyes's fellow former Sweathog Ron Palillo - but sadly not in the same scene.
     
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    Coincidentally, I've also been watching Supergirl season 3. Lumbly has a recurring role in that. Very different to Petrie but again showing his range.
    I saw her name in the credits but wouldn't have recognised her otherwise. Much younger than I'm used to seeing her.

    Also interesting to see Harris Yulin who I remember from a short-lived drama series about a cash-strapped TV station WIOU (I.O.U., get it?) as yet another disappointing romantic subject for Cagney.

    A nice touch was Cagney playing back her answering machine messages with her father and David's uncredited voices showing that their lives continue beyond the confines of what we see on screen.
     
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    I had no idea. Great to see he's still working. He's quite a busy man according to IMDb.

    Seems he has a bit of a history with DC on TV. And if I remember my comics, he's now playing the father of the character he voiced in the DCAU back in the Nineties, which is a nice touch (from the little I've seen, the Arrowverse is very good at these little nods to DC's TV and film history).


    Yes. It's only around four years pre-Misery, but it makes all the difference.


    Well spotted. It's a while since I watched it, but I don't know if that even registered with me. I think I just accepted it as part of Chris's reality and didn't consider the work that had gone into that small moment.
     
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